GrahamB wrote:Interesting that everybody wants to share their deep knowledge....but nobody wants to answer the question I asked.
GrahamB wrote:Interesting that everybody wants to share their deep knowledge....but nobody wants to answer the question I asked.
. . . Sorry - I stopped reading your posts a while ago Bao wins
Gringorn wrote:Marvin8, you wrote:
"Does anyone have a video of any of Sam's instructors/students perform his method against a moving, resistant opponent?
I do not see these instructors/students performing ILC's control at point of contact, unbalancing, etc:"
Kickboxing with gloves and rules looks like kickboxing with gloves and rules.
Gringorn wrote:As to the videos you posted,Sanda Volgoda is poster who has it in for ILC Russia for some reason and only posts videos, often edited, of ILC people, one person in particular, loosing fights. No video of fights where they/he wins, only losses. It is an attempt to defame ILC.
As to the original post - none of Sam Chin's students (re)act this way. Uke sickness.
C.J.W. wrote:Think of energy training as push-ups -- conditioning exercises designed to train and build the body in certain ways to develop physical attributes that are useful and applicable in fighting.
C.J.W. wrote:To say this type of energy training is laughable because they would never work on a resisting opponent is like arguing that doing push-ups are useless for fighting since you can't hurt someone by doing push-ups on them as they are down on the ground.
marvin8 wrote:Georges St Pierre wrote:1. Physical: "physical shape, conditioning, vo2 max, athleticism"
2. Technical: "If you know for example do an arm bar, kicks, punches, counters, chokes, triangles, leg locks, etc." "Your knowledge: do you know an arm bar, defense to a triangle choke, or how to counter a jab. Technical aspect in terms of knowledge of fighting.
3. Tactical: "That's where you make the difference between between the champion and the average competitor." “I will know where I can take you out of your comfort zone. And, I can bring the fight where I am the strongest. And, fight you to eliminate the odds where the fight will stack the odds of me winning to my advantage. “
GrahamB wrote:I asked, "Now answer this honestly - if you were that student, would you react in this way?"
Most people then started a debate about the merits of Aikido reactions (which isn't an art shown in the video)...
It's kind of a politician's answer. It's a yes or no question.
I don't mind though - people can write whatever they want - it's all good.
GrahamB wrote:I asked, "Now answer this honestly - if you were that student, would you react in this way?"
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Interloper wrote:... I should still have been able to provide him with a structured body to work with, not an "average joe on the street" body that would not be able to withstand him even when he was doing nothing but maintaining his basic neutral state.
charles wrote:Interloper wrote:... I should still have been able to provide him with a structured body to work with, not an "average joe on the street" body that would not be able to withstand him even when he was doing nothing but maintaining his basic neutral state.
But, isn't that the point of the art, to start by "breaking" the opponent's structure? Either he can break that structure or not. If he's good, he can do so immediately upon touching. If you are better than him, you respond to what he is doing by changing what your structure is doing so that he can't break it.
Trick wrote:Hmmm, not good. That story don’t make the “internal power” thing believable. First you grab as a typical person” would do !? And then.........Sorry that don’t hold at all, I mean playing role game.
Interloper wrote:Trick wrote:Hmmm, not good. That story don’t make the “internal power” thing believable. First you grab as a typical person” would do !? And then.........Sorry that don’t hold at all, I mean playing role game.
Trick, you don't seem to understand the nature of "internal structure," or the process of creating and maintaining it under duress. It's at the foundation of all internal arts. That's what Chen-style taiji people, and others, spend so much time "standing." They are not just hanging out, they are working hard to made connections inside their bodies -- muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia -- and unifying their structure from "crown to ground." Once they have that, then they must work on being able to manipulate those internal tissues to change and adapt to hold that structure even when being pushed, pulled, struck, etc. There is no role game going on, only the effort of maintaining a neutral state under physical duress.
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