Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

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Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby marvin8 on Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:12 pm

Ramsey Dewey
Published on Dec 18, 2018

Dr. Antonio Graceffo, a mixed martial artist who lived and trained at the Shaolin temple, drops a truth bomb on the mystique of the fighting prowess of the legendary Shaolin monks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjzGSOf8a74
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby roger hao on Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:59 am

Kwai Chang Caine could.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby Strange on Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:00 pm

not sure about that
but the chinese government sure can detain canadians
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby wiesiek on Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:25 am

hmm
dr Antonio looks pretty nervous , why?
1st time speakin` public? ;)
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby C.J.W. on Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:29 am

Shaolin temple might have produced fighting monks centuries ago, but all the modern ones (post-WW2) are, IMO, phonies.

Also, Chinese government persecuted and got rid of almost all of the Shaolin monks during Cultural Revolution. It wasn't until Jet Li's blockbuster movie came out in the early 80s when they realized there was a lot of money that could be made by capitalizing on the Shaolin fame, and re-opened the temple as a tourist trap by asking people from the local Wushu schools to shave their heads, dress up like monks, and perform various Wushu stunts.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby Trick on Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:43 am

As I remember reading somewhere, Wang Xiangzhai during his travels of research found that the Xingyiba at the Shaolin was basically “extinct”, from the monk at the temple he learned that the method was basically lost, the monk could show one or two fists and Wang was not impressed. Doshin So(spelling?) the founder of Shorinji Kempo(Shaolin fist way) seemingly learned from the same monk as Wang had been in contact with, he combined those few fists with Daitō-ryū to form his MA.………(about if it was the same Monk, don’t ask me for sources. I was on two very separate occasions reading about Shorinji Kempo and then YiQuan, and rembered the same name of a Shaolin monk came up. So it could very well be two different monks with same name, but also it could be the same monk)
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby Overlord on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:39 pm

Trick wrote:As I remember reading somewhere, Wang Xiangzhai during his travels of research found that the Xingyiba at the Shaolin was basically “extinct”, from the monk at the temple he learned that the method was basically lost, the monk could show one or two fists and Wang was not impressed. Doshin So(spelling?) the founder of Shorinji Kempo(Shaolin fist way) seemingly learned from the same monk as Wang had been in contact with, he combined those few fists with Daitō-ryū to form his MA.………(about if it was the same Monk, don’t ask me for sources. I was on two very separate occasions reading about Shorinji Kempo and then YiQuan, and rembered the same name of a Shaolin monk came up. So it could very well be two different monks with same name, but also it could be the same monk)


It’s suspected Heng Lin 恆林~
However, I am not sure if Heng Lin was still alive when Doshin visited.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby salcanzonieri on Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:13 pm













and there are lots more. And there are other fighting monks besides Yi Long (in Germany there are a few I have seen)
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:44 pm

I'm pretty sure that's the fake Monk and fixed fights they refer to during the interview
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby everything on Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:48 pm

He is supposedly "self-taught".

Still, doesn't answer the question about the monks plural. Presumably, becoming a monk is mainly done for other, altruistic reasons.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby everything on Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:48 pm

He is supposedly "self-taught".

Still, doesn't answer the question about the monks plural. Presumably, becoming a monk is mainly done for other, altruistic reasons.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby wiesiek on Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:37 am

I don`t know how really shaolin training looks like today,
/some of our board members knows, so they may chime in/
however, they looks pretty fit when judging from shows/demos.
I suppose, that if not, they will be able in short time if needed.
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Re: Can Shaolin Monks actually Fight?

Postby Steve James on Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:52 am

Imo, where's he's absolutely right is 1) the "dark place" and the willingness or reason to do damage to another human being, and 2) the need to take punishment beforehand. If that wasn't part of the training, it had to be part of the fighting if one continues. Number two provides an incentive for number one. :)
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