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Re: force leveling system

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:08 am

This=receiving the energy in a passive manner then adding interest
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Re: force leveling system

Postby windwalker on Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:17 am

Bao wrote:Good lecture. Not many know how to break up these things in a clear and understandable manner.

Yes he addresses what many here ask about in a very clear way.


If you look at the earlier demonstration, he does as he teaches, he doesn’t treat the other person as a dead object, but use the incoming movement. When someone just stands there still and a teacher makes someone suddenly jump or where the students movements doesn’t match the teacher’s, I am often in doubt whether the demonstration is genuine or not. But I don’t get that feeling in the first Kee demo here. What Kee does seems to be pretty well matched by the students reactions.

To fall other, what you push is the way, you see! Inside here! You see, this is internally.Can't see from the outside, what you see from outside are all fake. It’s all fake, you see Real one no action yet, that is the bullet inside, When you holding the gun and fight, that is fooled.


Some of the commentary, "the bullet inside" interesting in that its the 2nd teacher I've heard use this metaphor. Ben Lo, used to talk about shooting bullets the same way....If one can do this the reactions are the same for almost all receivers. If one happens to be the receiver they will often react in a way that they themselves will not understand. "the bullet inside" is what causes the reactions by hitting the others center point "inside"

What most seem to focus on is the outside which is as mentioned not real


Obviously there are degrees over acting, faking and as a student just being respectful, letting the teacher demonstrate what he intends to demonstrate. Why not focus on trying to see skill, look at the qualities of what a teacher does instead of spending time on watching students different and sometimes awkward ways of trying to please their teachers?


To fake it would be disrespecting the teacher as all would know regardless of what was said.
The students are not actively trying to avoid it, and are providing a good target for the teacher.

It's a "demo" as a practice the teacher is refining the skill, while the students are feeling the skill being used.

In real usage for the most part at first touch, if they have no skill of listening it would be over. If they have skill it depends on who's skill is deeper as in any art.

I felt the approach used to describe what was going on and why was clear and somewhat unique
dispite what some said about being common. One would expect it to accord with most high level teachers
talking about the same things only differing in how its explained.

Some one took the time to translate the commentary which as in many other clips that people ask about makes it more understandable for those having questions....thought most would focus on the commentary along with the demo....

guess not... :-\
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Re: force leveling system

Postby oragami_itto on Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:04 am

windwalker wrote:In real usage for the most part at first touch, if they have no skill of listening it would be over. If they have skill it depends on who's skill is deeper as in any art.


You notice how the last student couldn't even keep his feet and fell flat on his face several times. He's the least skilled there, imho. The ones with a little bit of ability, yes, do sometimes read the intention and go with it to have a better chance of staying on their feet. That also provides a chance for WKJ to read that response and add more power to make it harder for them to stay upright.

What's interesting is I think the third student with the dark moustache. He seems to be the most skilled of the lot, didn't appear to be as strongly affected and you could see the attacks more clearly.
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Re: force leveling system

Postby windwalker on Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:45 am

Found his references to "Jin" to be very descriptive in that it travels through ones body to the point of contact affecting the others by its penetration hitting the center.

He talked of using the hand that was non contacting pointing to the direction of issuance. Something that someone had asked about in another thread, seen in use by other Masters for the same reasons.

It's a demo, illustrating certain principles in use.
I see little value in calling fake or trying to ascertain who it worked on or didnt and why.

Posted because I felt it answered some questions often asked here. Thought the translation was well done, something that non-native speakers often miss out on in trying to figure out what's going on

The bullet analogy is quite apt very descriptive.
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Re: force leveling system

Postby charles on Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:03 am

windwalker wrote:He talked of using the hand that was non contacting pointing to the direction of issuance. Something that someone had asked about in another thread, seen in use by other Masters for the same reasons.


Nice to see another "data point" of other styles using the same principle.

Posted because I felt it answered some questions often asked here. Thought the translation was well done, something that non-native speakers often miss out on in trying to figure out what's going on


Thanks for posting it.
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