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casual 5 elements video

Postby everything on Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:54 pm

I like this guy's super casual video.



He just gets the point across in a direct, economical way.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:02 pm

Very cool
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:45 pm

Pretty much how I do them apart from fire
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby nicklinjm on Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:21 pm

Very good presentation of the 5 elements spear and the way it corresponds to the fists. Anyone know who this guy's teacher is?
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby Bao on Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:33 am

Liked the guy, nice casual attitude.

Before turning drills into spear play, you should first know something about basic Chinese spear play. IMO. The “Five elements spear” in the other thread about Santi showed a better understanding about how the Chinese spear is actually supposed to be used.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby C.J.W. on Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:18 am

Don't mean to rain on his parade, but I'm not particularly fond of this "textbook" version of 5 element spear. Too much arms and not enough body.

IMO, doing Xingyi spear this way is only suitable for either beginners (who do not have proper shenfa and rely on the arms to wield the spear) OR really advanced practitioners (whose shenfa is so refined that it looks like they are just using their arms).
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby everything on Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:48 am

yeah I'm a beginner just looking for a quick demo, but those critiques make sense to me.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby Wanderingdragon on Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:05 am

Yes, on the upside, those with honed skill in internal and empty hand disciplines, the simplicity of his demo will make it quite easy to imbue each technique with the proper body method while practicing.
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Postby C.J.W. on Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:01 pm

Not Xingyi spear, but this is sort of body mechanics I was referring too.

Properly excuted spear work should also have good structure and be able to overcome resistance -- just like in emptyhand movements.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/gxhxDzilPcI [/youtube]
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby everything on Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:48 pm

ah gotcha that makes sense, thanks.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby Wanderingdragon on Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:12 pm

Got that clip in my archives, love it.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby Bao on Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:08 am

C.J.W. wrote:Not Xingyi spear, but this is sort of body mechanics I was referring too.

Properly excuted spear work should also have good structure and be able to overcome resistance -- just like in emptyhand movements.

[youtube] https://youtu.be/gxhxDzilPcI [/youtube]


Yes, she is very good. But not only body mechanics are better, she has a better understanding of the weapon as well. You can see that her hand in front is almost always still, it moves very little, it's the rear hand does most of the work. When you use the spear, it's always the rear hand that does the work. But as a spear has a sharp point, so compared with a staff, the body doesn't need to do as much work.So her body work is more for the staff than for the spear. The guy in the OP vid has not practiced this kind of basic spear drills. You need to know the basic drills and understand basic spear play first. Then you can better understand how the XY fists were derived from real spear play.
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby edededed on Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:56 am

Interesting how xingyi spear's 5 elements seems to vary a bit from school to school - or is it my imagination?
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Re: casual 5 elements video

Postby Bao on Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:17 am

Because some of them understand real Chinese spear play, some others just make up things.
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