Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby Steve James on Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:38 am

Well, all I can say is good on him. Yeah, maybe tcc to his muay thai and sanda to another level. At any rate, disciple or not, he's not an example of someone who "studied just tcc from a young age." And, if he didn't need his prior muay thai, sanda, or mma training, then it's amazing that Chen tcc hasn't produced hundreds of guys like him before this. This is what we should have been seeing all along.

I applaud the guy. I'm just a bit jaded. I think people are talking about him only because he's a student of Chen style tcc, and that it's in the context of all the negative publicity surrounding the relevance and effectiveness of cma. I.e., all the questions raised by people like Xu.

Maybe it'd be interesting to know what he means by Chen's "gas field" (:)), but it would make more sense for Chen to challenge Xu than for Yang to do so. I'm also interested to know more about "practical boxing." Is it something that Chen developed before this? Was Yang the first student to train it? And, how will it be passed down? Will the training be similar to what people had already been doing?

Choosing the term "practical" is also interesting. It reminds me of Dan Doherty's "Practical" tcc, which is much older and has plenty of fighters.
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby GrahamB on Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:14 am

Steve,

I believe Hong called his style of Tai chi ‘Chen practical method’ or smilar because he made some changes to the Chen method.

So practical would be the brand name of the style, hence practical boxing, etc...
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby Steve James on Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:46 am

GrahamB wrote:Steve,

I believe Hong called his style of Tai chi ‘Chen practical method’ or smilar because he made some changes to the Chen method.

So practical would be the brand name of the style, hence practical boxing, etc...


Ok. My point is really that, if what Yang is doing is representative of a particular tcc style's training (boxing), then it's not new at all. I think the idea of practicality is great. I think there are more than a few tcc schools that have always been competing using tcc in "practical" ways for a long time. I don't think that any success legitimizes "tcc" or particular "tcc styles." If someone wants to do what Yang does in the video, he'll have to train as Yang did. Tcc first, then muay thai, or muay thai, then tcc, it doesn't matter.
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:09 pm

As best as i can make out he was only training with Chen from August 2018
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby GrahamB on Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:21 pm

Steve,

Your post reminded me about DD and his Practical TCC guys. They used to be quite a big deal and now I hardly ever hear about them at all. I think it’s because MMA has just blown up as a style and destroyed their ecological niche. And the rest of the TCC world has just carried on down the ‘internal’ tricks road of the Sergio and Misner seminar curcuit.

How things change.
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby cloudz on Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:35 am

GrahamB wrote:Steve,

Your post reminded me about DD and his Practical TCC guys. They used to be quite a big deal and now I hardly ever hear about them at all. I think it’s because MMA has just blown up as a style and destroyed their ecological niche. And the rest of the TCC world has just carried on down the ‘internal’ tricks road of the Sergio and Misner seminar curcuit.

How things change.



That's fairly interesting of you to say.. I re started training with Neil Rossiak before Xmas, who was the trainer of Sami Berik - who apart from Nick 'Oz'. - has fought at the highest level of any other tai chi trained person that I've heard about. Nick trained quite a lot with the Oxford group for his last uk mma fight, (already with some background in the art) so that fight should probably count too, which is why I mention him. But anyone approaching higher levels simply has to expose themselves to cross training. The main reason is that the pool of people in KF that can get you up there is tiny and they have had to go outside too. Neil, for example trained with London Shootfighters back when he made his foray into the earliest mma in the UK - Vale tudo back then.

I only get to Neils park sessions when I can, as I lucked out with him training Sundays in a park opposite my house! :D
He always had some guys when I was around before that would compete full contact regularly, now I expect it's only push hands. But I am looking forward to meeting some of them to see if there's any decent fighters .. ;D

I think what you say probably has some legs. What I've noticed from the periphery is that the full contact competition scene that DD really established here has slid downhill as of late. I would need to research it better to get up to speed but I think if you turned up this year at the British Open you wouldn't see a lot of full contact fights - if any, and I would wonder how many of those guys would be from DD groups. I don't think his groups are training fighters for the British Open as they once did, I'm pretty sure of that. The overall pool, not just from TCC, is getting even smaller. The Shaolin temple in London has a Sanda team (they did have anyway), which I imagine is not far off the best in the UK. The BCCMA still has comps, but it all seems a bit stagnant and their ruleset I think is supposed to be semi contact. They even put on Chinese wrestling, or did, but again I can only imagine the pool of people doing it in the UK is vanishingly small. The Kuoshou competition that was set up, I really don't know how that's fairing either.

After MT and MMA, and what with the rise of grappling too drawing people it's no wonder. Given, in general, the kind of people Kung Fu and TCC attract; "the fighters" were never a big percentage anyway, not really. More so for TCC perhaps. So there's a pretty low ceiling for KF competitors. Anyone young and half decent probably has way better avenues and choices of training, than just lucking out to find a half decent KF/ TC school they will get what they need to be competitive in combat sports.

I have to say, I really admire how Chen Zonghua supports/ encourages push hands/ taiji wrestling as well as Full contact stuff. All KF teachers really need to be more like that.
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby cloudz on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:27 am

ha,

funny how these things happen; would you adam and eve it.
just heard about this through the group what's app.

One of Neil Rosiak's guys is fighting this week 2nd march 2019 at the BCCMA 'Sanda fight night 7' (IWUF sanda rules2017)
so there'll be at least one TCC guy representing.

If any public video surfaces I'll link it up.
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Re: Disciple of Chen Zhonghua wins a Muay Thai Gold Belt

Postby richardman on Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:54 am

Personally, I am more intrigued by "has been a child since childhood." ;D
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