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The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby grzegorz on Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:20 pm

Watch "Mas Oyama vs Bull" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/brHuxeV029E
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby grzegorz on Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:22 pm

I heard legendary stories as this man as a kid taking on bulls. Thanks to the internet I finally got to see edited highlight footage with the best of Mas Oyama wrestling a bull.

Now what was all the fuss about? Bulls don't hit back and he basically just twisted the bulls neck until the bull was injured. WTF? How is that impressive?
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Bao on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:25 am

He is strong, no doubt about that... But chopping of a horn? Lol! What a laugh. Yeah, I watched this a long time a go and had a laugh.

The power of editing... In the old times when people didn't understand exactly how movies were made...

He strikes towards the horn, his hand disappears behind the Bull's head. Then there's a cut to the horn on the ground. Probably sawed from a dead bull. It's so simple. Yet no proof or footage of him actually cutting a bull's horn or killing a bull with hos hands. Only a myth spread by enthusiastic Karatekas who want to believe.
... and ironically enough partially the same crowd who laugh at Qi ... Religious beliefs take many different shapes and forms...
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby marvin8 on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:54 am

Starting at 6:41, Blumming says they hammered the ox's horn loose.

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Jon Blumming talking about all Oyama"s marketing and nonsense:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXh_NpgQjU&t=6m41s
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby C.J.W. on Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:09 am

I also heard that Oyama would have people tranquilize and weaken the bull "just enough" before he engaged in his famous "man vs. bull" stunt.

Too bad he's no longer with us. I would have loved to see him try to wrestle and chop a horn off one of these:

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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby roger hao on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:59 am

Of course you guys know they wrestle bulls at every Texas rodeo?
Did Mas ever ride a giant champion bull for 8 seconds?
The bulls he face were not even close to a riding bull they were same as the rodeo.
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Trick on Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:42 am

and then we also have oyamas friend and karate great gogen(the cat)yamaguchi who claimed to have killed an wild tiger with his bare hands. he was captured by russians while stationed in manchuria. he claimed russian soldiers throwed him into a deep pit where they kept an tiger, but insted of being shredded by the big cat he karate chopped it to death, well maybe he trew some kick at it too. after this incident, or rather after telling of this incident he was nicknamed "The Cat" 8-)
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Appledog on Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:16 am

grzegorz wrote:Now what was all the fuss about? Bulls don't hit back and he basically just twisted the bulls neck until the bull was injured. WTF? How is that impressive?


Bulls are around 20 times stronger than a 'strong man', stand up to 7 meters tall at the shoulder, and their necks are especially strong. They will easily snap chains when provoked and there are many stories of bulls running through reinforced (2,3, 4 and up 2x4 reinforced) barn doors just because they want to go outside. "Bulls don't hit back and he basically just twisted the bulls neck..." is kind of a funny comment. It's probably that the bull was young, weak or sick, or it wouldn't have been possible for Mas to have twisted his neck, but even if it was an old weak and sick bull it would be a very impressive feat. Humans are rag dolls compared to bulls.
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby windwalker on Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:26 am

roger hao wrote:Of course you guys know they wrestle bulls at every Texas rodeo?
Did Mas ever ride a giant champion bull for 8 seconds?
The bulls he face were not even close to a riding bull they were same as the rodeo.


They look young


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgJ3IpGy4g

good story,,,,yep don't see em trying to wrestle the older bulls...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqO6hA1DXLc
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am

I think you might find the cat got his name through his heavy use of the cat stance
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:50 pm

7 meters


Maybe 7 feet. ;), but that's more than big enough.

Anyway, anybody ever watch Portuguese bull fights? Os forcados


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vodGP8dM4_o

Then there is the Spanish recorte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqyPbFccjo
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Trick on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:14 pm

wayne hansen wrote:I think you might find the cat got his name through his heavy use of the cat stance

the tiger killing story is out there, and was first told by the master himself.....yes he did often pose in the cat stance
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby jaime_g on Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:06 am

One thing that I really hate about my country (Spain) is bullfighting. That said, Oyama would be mince meat in a few seconds against a real bull.

Fortunatelly that world is fading and losing support, but we used to breed real monsters here (modern bulls are smaller). Not so long ago fighting bulls were able to kill tigers and lions (even against two of them at the same time). Texas bulls are cute cows in comparison
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby grzegorz on Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:09 am

Here is a video of kungfu fighters.who wrestle bullls. Impressive yes but legendary?

Watch "Nevermind bullfighting... this is BULL WRESTLING (Guanniu)" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/hocFI16tCi0
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Re: The Great Mas Oyama?

Postby Steve James on Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:24 am

Those aren't the kind of bulls that jaime-g is talking about. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo-rfbRKovA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJ97azaTdk
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