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Jesse Enkamp
Jan 12, 2020

Is traditional Karate just a form of ancient Kung-Fu?

Follow Jesse Enkamp (The Karate Nerd) to learn the lost history of Karate - from China to Okinawa and ultimately Tokyo 2020 Olympics in Japan.

The original name for Karate was "Tode" (唐手) which doesn't mean Empty Hand (空手) but literally translates to "Chinese Hand". That's what all the Okinawan masters called it.

In this episode Jesse discovers Ming He Neipai kata (Nipaipo, a.k.a Ershiba) at a Whooping Crane Kung Fu demonstration, and then learns kata Babulien (Papuren, a.k.a. Happoren) at the famous Crane Temple in Fuzhou from Master Yu Dan Xiu.

An interview with Hanshi Patrick McCarthy (IRKRS, Koryu Uchinadi) confirms this is what's described in Bubishi - The Bible of Karate.

Next stop is Yong Chun village - the birthplace of White Crane!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCvimTuwkZY

https://youtu.be/UCvimTuwkZY



"the rest of the demonstration was some ladies doing Tai Chi and a rare style called Incense Shop Boxing".

I already posted this video here: Karate Nerd in China (Ep. 1). I will delete this one, if you do.

It won't let me delete it - I can edit it, but that's all. Sorry.

Can the last person in the thread delete their message? If so, we can try doing that. Mine already has a view count too. If not, I will delete my original thread, after you delete yours, rinse and repeat.

Sorry, you're right. I couldn't delete mine either.

marvin8 wrote: However, do what you want or GrahamB wants. It's not important to me (or GrahamB I think).

Are you kidding? This is now a competition between the two of us to see who can get the most views.

Thanks to you posting on this thread I've now overtaken you with 107 to you 101 views! Ha! You've played right into my hands.... BWWAAAA HAHAHHA!

I shall represent this with symbols:

Anyway, Jesse Enkamp does a great work with his videos and writings on his webpage https://www.karatebyjesse.com

I am insensed by this Incence Shop Boxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqxqJy ... e=youtu.be

Too much independent arm action

Re: the original video, not sure how much the guy could have learnt / absorbed in such a short space of time, especially as he speaks zero Chinese.

nicklinjm wrote:Re: the original video, not sure how much the guy could have learnt / absorbed in such a short space of time, especially as he speaks zero Chinese.

obviously the video is edited to tell the story he wants to tell
so not sure about what really happened or how much time he actually spent there

but it was fairly obvious that the teacher seemed genuine in showing the stuff
and he had translators and previous training

so i think he could have learned quite a lot if he wanted to
(plus he probably filmed the whole thing so he has the ability to review the lesson in the future too...)


Franklin


edit--
i have seen people with no language barrier -- and years of lessons still not achieve anything
i think it comes down to the students personal drive and understanding/insight/introspection/etc more then anything else
(that is if you have a teacher that is really trying to teach)

In answer to your question, he learnt a superficial run-through of Crying Crane's first form and Incense Shop Boxing's first form. Enough time to get the moves down, but no more.

I’m pretty sure that the Karate Nerd have no intention to go in any depth to become an CMA practitioner and later on claim mastery of it, he is most certainly very comfortable in his Karate and just making light hearted with a splash of seriousness videos..So no one need to worry.

Tom wrote:Problem solved: the two shall live as one.

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Threads are not threads
That alters when it alteration finds,
Or vanishes with the remover to remove.
A true thread is an ever-fixèd mark
That looks on tempests in teapots and only sighs;
It is the balm to every troller's bark,
Whose worth’s unknown, though by ban he dies.
A thread’s not time’s fool, though with disrespect it reeks
The moderator's fresh breeze clears out the room:
A true thread alters not with its brief hours and weeks,
But spirals out even to the edge of doom.
  If this be error I have posted,
  I never writ, nor any forum hosted.

[with apologies to Shakespeare's Sonnet 116]

OT in this thread, but
Just loved that, Tom !!
Deserves to go viral...