Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

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Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

Postby C.J.W. on Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:31 pm

I rarely see Xingyi/Bagua guys who move the way we do in our lineage, but this guy comes pretty close. ;)

His use of structure to attack, off-balance, and neutralize the opponent while maintaining contact is, IMO, what orthodox Xingyi fighting (and IMA fighting in general) is all about -- as opposed to relying on hand speed and rapid transition of hand techniques (shoufa) to overwhelm the opponent.

This guy comes from a Sanda background, so he has a many good vids that compare and contrast Xingyi/IMA and boxing/sanda.

Beng chuan vs. jab/cross


Pi chuan
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Re: Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

Postby Strange on Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:07 pm

As i have said, the chinese have been dealing with the art for a very long time
when done right, it is not only effective, it is beautiful to watch and the practitioner's movement
become stylish.... clean and unfettered.

cannot do it?
not enough zz, nervous, fear, anger,over-aggression come into the head.
when that happens, the qi rises and your legs are gone.
movements become very crude and primitive.
cos the monkey mind take over

if do not think, for normal people, the body and mind become too relaxed
not able to fight.

so whats the solution?
Zhan zhuang

some people ask what is the ultimate goal?
for now, i think it is using ima teaching to calm the mind and control the monkey
if able to do it, one experiences victory everyday.

traditional ma is not in good development and circulation
i hope faithful practitioners are not fooled by weak, childish and uneducated whining of the few and doubtful,
however convincing their rhetoric might be when infused with foreign thinking and logic.

my friends, it is not that the emperor has no clothes,
but the laughter of the low.
the clothes of cima is so bright, it looks like black
天官指星 单对月 风摆荷叶 影成双

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Re: Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

Postby C.J.W. on Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:15 pm

Amen to that, Strange.

People who have seen, felt, and practiced the real deal knows that it works.

Let haters be haters....people like you and me couldn't care less.
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Re: Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

Postby xian89 on Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 am

Nice videos C.J.W (you have a PM btw) and well put Strange.
Among those who have internal skill, not many can free-fight and maintain those internal qualities.
But those who can are the most calm, unstressed and present in-the-moment people I have ever met (and weren't necessarily born that way).
That by itself is a testament to the mind-body transformation brought on by these arts - if practiced correctly.
And part of why they are, and always will remain, so interesting, facinating and useful to practice.
https://indrestyrkeblog.wordpress.com/ - my blog where I try to collect useful articles and commentaries on internal training
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Re: Nice Xingyi from Shang Yunxiang lineage

Postby Overlord on Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:02 am

C.J.W. wrote:I rarely see Xingyi/Bagua guys who move the way we do in our lineage, but this guy comes pretty close. ;)

His use of structure to attack, off-balance, and neutralize the opponent while maintaining contact is, IMO, what orthodox Xingyi fighting (and IMA fighting in general) is all about -- as opposed to relying on hand speed and rapid transition of hand techniques (shoufa) to overwhelm the opponent.

This guy comes from a Sanda background, so he has a many good vids that compare and contrast Xingyi/IMA and boxing/sanda.

Beng chuan vs. jab/cross


Pi chuan


Very nice.
I only disagree one thing, when teller you should use Santi and shorter you use Hunyuan.
Exactly the opposite ~ Still very nice.
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