The grandson of Tian Zhaolin in Shanghai. What do you think?
Personally I find the coiling and compactness interesting.
Between 1.05 to 2.00. Better just skip directly to 1.05
https://youtu.be/eVvxJ3o3uro?t=65
Trick wrote:I seen some Tian Zhaolin forms on youku, is say all the variations I seen are a form of “free styling” that comes around after “deeper” understandings, however they all stem from the “basic” Yang family form....if one does not have that first step correct, then to get to the “Tian Zhaolin level” might be impossible...
Bao wrote:Trick wrote:I seen some Tian Zhaolin forms on youku, is say all the variations I seen are a form of “free styling” that comes around after “deeper” understandings, however they all stem from the “basic” Yang family form....if one does not have that first step correct, then to get to the “Tian Zhaolin level” might be impossible...
The second video was taken from tudou.com. Maybe you can search for it there?
The name of the video on YouTube: 田兆麟傳楊式中架太極拳 田秉淵
If you watch it first it will be a more interesting discussion. I really like his more compact, coiling style. It's not just "basic yang style", his body method is different.
Trick wrote:no, you misundetstand, im not saying the performance in the vid is basic yang style taijiquan, im saying to come to that "coiling stuff one first have to have gone through and mastered the basics of yang taijiquan(for example).......First master the large basic frame, then this stuff comes naturally out from that......
Shinobi wrote:I have a feeling a lot of what we see that was passed down from Tian Zhaolin is close to what Yang Jianhou's Tai Chi was like.
Yes there’s two possibilities, 1 they actually never practiced correctly, 2 they’ve got it but find no reason to visually release it while playing......On the other hand those who display it might just mimic things they’ve seen.Bao wrote:Trick wrote:no, you misundetstand, im not saying the performance in the vid is basic yang style taijiquan, im saying to come to that "coiling stuff one first have to have gone through and mastered the basics of yang taijiquan(for example).......First master the large basic frame, then this stuff comes naturally out from that......
I do agree that large frame should be learned first. But I don’t think that what you see here comes naturally out if this. Most people who practice ‘the large basic frame’ looks like they still just practice ‘the large basic frame’ after 20, 30, 40 years. They don’t change. This “coiling stuff” /Shenfa breaks quite a few of the ‘rules’ of the standard ‘large basic frame‘ practice. I.e. leaning, bending the spine, lifting the elbows and even shoulders. You need to practice on breaking those rules and you need the correct guidance from someone who can show you in a way that it makes sense.Shinobi wrote:I have a feeling a lot of what we see that was passed down from Tian Zhaolin is close to what Yang Jianhou's Tai Chi was like.
I don’t want to speculate about Yang Jianhou, but it certainly have characteristics of Tai Chi practices that are presumably older than Yang Chengfu and modern Yang style variations.
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