Trick wrote:no, you misundetstand, im not saying the performance in the vid is basic yang style taijiquan, im saying to come to that "coiling stuff one first have to have gone through and mastered the basics of yang taijiquan(for example).......First master the large basic frame, then this stuff comes naturally out from that......
I do agree that large frame should be learned first. But I don’t think that what you see here comes naturally out if this. Most people who practice ‘the large basic frame’ looks like they still just practice ‘the large basic frame’ after 20, 30, 40 years. They don’t change. This “coiling stuff” /Shenfa breaks quite a few of the ‘rules’ of the standard ‘large basic frame‘ practice. I.e. leaning, bending the spine, lifting the elbows and even shoulders. You need to practice on breaking those rules and you need the correct guidance from someone who can show you in a way that it makes sense.
Shinobi wrote:I have a feeling a lot of what we see that was passed down from Tian Zhaolin is close to what Yang Jianhou's Tai Chi was like.
I don’t want to speculate about Yang Jianhou, but it certainly have characteristics of Tai Chi practices that are presumably older than Yang Chengfu and modern Yang style variations.