Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

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Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby lineofintent on Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:40 am

hi everyone, a new episode of Flying Monk Talk Show with Paul Rogers revealing some of Yi Quan's inner door concepts

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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby chinwoo1956 on Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:26 am

Hi Paul

How do you stop 'dead standing'

What are your training methods external and internal to stop it becoming dead standing.

Is it just the mind.? if not then what, 'how' would be really helpful to many of us that train.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:17 pm

Looks like your not getting an answer to that
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Second correct form lead by a good teacher
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Forth gradual extension of time done over time
Fifth connect your movement(in stillness) to breath
Sixth let the standing lead you don't lead the standing
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Trick on Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:45 am

What linage is Mr.Rogers of, who is his teacher ?

My teacher in Beijing told me to keep some methods “under my hat” Until eventually if I would teach and would have an dedicated and talented student, that student will be advices the same then.
I understand other teachers in Beijing also advice this....

Now, I can’t open the link or see the video of the OP(if that’s what it is)but I would believe in it no “secrets” are reveled.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Bao on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:08 am

Trick wrote:Now, I can’t open the link or see the video of the OP(if that’s what it is)but I would believe in it no “secrets” are reveled.


You are correct, no secrets. Couldn't find anything specifically that I associate with indoor practice either. I enjoyed some of the talk. Other things, like his about putting your mind into animals and try to feel like one, felt a bit strange for me. Those ideas are very much opposite from how I practice my stuff. So I guess, Yiquan is not for me. But I already knew it wasn't.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Martin on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:30 am

Trick wrote:What linage is Mr.Rogers of, who is his teacher ?


From the description:

https://lineofintent.com/product/martial-cultivation-journal-vol-1-no-3-march-2019-pdf-file-55-pages/

Alex's journals are good value.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby lineofintent on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:53 am

With any traditional school , you wil not know what is 'inner door' teaching unless you are - inside the door.

On this video some of what Paul explains is 'inner door' teaching in his school, it only makes sense and comes alive through oral transmission and touch.

To make standing alive, it is a process with many elements, a good place to start would be to find a teacher who feels alive at touch.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Trick on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:16 am

lineofintent wrote:
On this video some of what Paul explains is 'inner door' teaching in his school,

So it’s not inner door any more then.......
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Trick on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:26 am

Bao wrote:
Trick wrote:Now, I can’t open the link or see the video of the OP(if that’s what it is)but I would believe in it no “secrets” are reveled.


You are correct, no secrets. Couldn't find anything specifically that I associate with indoor practice either. I enjoyed some of the talk. Other things, like his about putting your mind into animals and try to feel like one, felt a bit strange for me. Those ideas are very much opposite from how I practice my stuff. So I guess, Yiquan is not for me. But I already knew it wasn't.

No, in YiQuan practice one does not mimic animals, however one visualize forces to act upon,
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby Bao on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:44 am

Trick wrote:No, in YiQuan practice one does not mimic animals, however one visualize forces to act upon,


Well, say that to Paul. ;)
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby lineofintent on Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:12 am

Trick wrote:
lineofintent wrote:
On this video some of what Paul explains is 'inner door' teaching in his school,

So it’s not inner door any more then.......



Paul is giving a recipe, so to speak - you still need to get in the kitchen, buy the ingredients, and get scolded a lot by the cook.

Another way of saying inner door is 'apprentice-ship' - a long process which is far from just mimicking what you see on youtube or read in a book.

As you no doubt know, the oral transmission and touch is everything in these arts, be it barehand , weapons or meditative cultivation.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby chinwoo1956 on Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:41 am

Thanks for the reply's

But still no one gave any answers or info to my original questiosn

"What are your training methods external and internal to stop it becoming dead standing".

"Is it just the mind.? if not then what, 'how' would be really helpful to many of us that train".

Anyone out there ?!
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby lineofintent on Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Chin Woo it is the whole process of learning and practice which imbues standing with life.

A simple method to start with would be to Zhang Zhuang whilst maintaining the six directions forces, and the six harmonies.

There is enough there for a lifetime of work.
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby chinwoo1956 on Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm

Hi

Thanks for reply??. Standing with life

Can you explain "six directions forces, and the six harmonies" and the practical method of training it please would be a great help to me plz.

It will take a life time?? that long to gain a skill for fighting?? really

What is your relationship with Sifu Paul if you don't mind me asking?

thanks again
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Re: Deep Theory on Yi Quan - Paul Rogers

Postby nicklinjm on Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:39 pm

@chinwoo1956, maybe do some of yr own googling instead of expecting others to give you the answer on a plate?

The 6 directions of force Alex (lineofintent) mentioned has been written about in several introductions to Yiquan which are freely available online, for example:

http://www.martrix.org/six_directions_of_force.html

http://yiquan.me/shili.htm

https://www.oocities.org/tukylam/opposite_tension.html
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