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Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Overlord on Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:54 am

For years, I was always perplexed why GM Hong Yixiang’s Xingyi is unique,
And there were some of former Hong’s students or outsiders accused Hong altered his Xingyi forms from Zhang.
For instance, Hong’s Xingyi Pi is very very unique.
This clip from Guo Yunsheng lineage proves a lot of things.
Hong must had learnt his Xingyi skills from unknown but authentic sources.


https://m.youku.com/alipay_video/id_XMTg5Mzg0NDQ3Mg==.html?refer=qita_product.uotong.lrt_00004637_000000_AVNfYr_20060400
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Overlord on Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:14 am

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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Trick on Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:06 am

His legwork is lacking some. Could be that his intention in the clip is mainly to display the upper body work
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby edededed on Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:44 am

Not familiar with Hong Yixiang's piquan or other alternate forms. Any examples of these? (I have done some Guo xingyi before, so could comment perhaps.)
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:26 am

Sadly I can't see either of the film clips here in Australia
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby taiwandeutscher on Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:58 am

Can't see it in Germany, either!
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Trick on Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:48 am

Sadly I can't see either of the film clips here in Australia
Can't see it in Germany, either!
blame the great western firewall......8-)
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Overlord on Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:12 pm

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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby GrahamB on Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:12 am

I can see the clips - doesn't look like anything special to me. I think the point the OP is making is that this Chinese guy forward-weights his pi chuan?
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Overlord on Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:55 pm

GrahamB wrote:I can see the clips - doesn't look like anything special to me. I think the point the OP is making is that this Chinese guy forward-weights his pi chuan?


Guo’s Xingyi is very unique in its own way.
This clip is only special for the few.
There are so many hidden moves and Gongfa within this clip.
I really would love to see their Beng.

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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby nicklinjm on Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:04 pm

I'd caution against assuming that the video posted by the 'OP' is *the* way Piquan is practiced in Guo Yunshen-derived branches. There are some pretty big variances in skill level and manner of performing 5 elements / 12 animals in the branches that claim to come from Guo, personally I don't see much Piquan gongfu in the OP vid.

For comparison, here are two other Guo-style Piquan variations (from Ma Fuji branch), personally think both of these show more of the 'power' of Piquan than the OP one:

https://video.tudou.com/v/XMTkzODAwODI5Ng==.html?__fr=oldtd

https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDU2MDg0ODUy.html
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Overlord on Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:09 pm

nicklinjm wrote:I'd caution against assuming that the video posted by the 'OP' is *the* way Piquan is practiced in Guo Yunshen-derived branches. There are some pretty big variances in skill level and manner of performing 5 elements / 12 animals in the branches that claim to come from Guo, personally I don't see much Piquan gongfu in the OP vid.

For comparison, here are two other Guo-style Piquan variations (from Ma Fuji branch), personally think both of these show more of the 'power' of Piquan than the OP one:

https://video.tudou.com/v/XMTkzODAwODI5Ng==.html?__fr=oldtd

https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDU2MDg0ODUy.html


Nick,
In Hebei branch, as far as I know there is a certain move in Pi that can show if one is in-door or out door.
It's bit like a trade mark.
Surely you know what it is right ?
So with the two clips you posted and that I posted, which one do you think has this trade mark?

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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:20 pm

I don't know much about in door or not
Those two clips are more beng than Pi in my oppinion
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby GrahamB on Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:38 pm

"In Hebei branch, as far as I know there is a certain move in Pi that can show if one is in-door or out door. "

Oh dear. Secret moves. ::)

if there really was a secret move then *Nobody would even know there was one, let alone be talking about it on the Internet* 8-)
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Re: Guo Yunsheng Xingyi and Hong Yixiang

Postby Trick on Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:51 am

Overlord wrote:
GrahamB wrote:I can see the clips - doesn't look like anything special to me. I think the point the OP is making is that this Chinese guy forward-weights his pi chuan?


Guo’s Xingyi is very unique in its own way.
This clip is only special for the few.
There are so many hidden moves and Gongfa within this clip.
I really would love to see their Beng.

「一身寒冷戰悚悚,身子如背鍋,兩手把腮托,兩肘不離肋,兩手不離心,出洞入洞緊隨身。」

Piquan/Xingyiquan in all legitim linages has “so many hidden moves and gongfa”.
The involvement of Yi in the routines is of main importance, which may/(should) become lesser and lesser obvious visible performance wise over time.

The gentleman in the video show some very obvious upper body movement mechanics, while as I commented previously his leg work seem lacking some, not his stances but perhaps in his stepping. But then it can be so that he just want to show the camera holder the obvious of the upper body for now, keeping lower body “hiddenl. But to get to understand that is so one have to interact with him.

The youku member only display that video, i too would like to see the rest of the elements performed.
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