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Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby chinwoo1956 on Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:18 am

Lu Hong Ba Shi any info on the form or art would be of help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyYBm6pLX9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a25PfVC4K8M

Are these the best examples?.
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby Overlord on Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:53 pm



The biggest problem with demo today is they just punch with hands only.
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:13 pm

My thoughts exactly
The person in the first clip looked like they had learnt the form at one stage but not practiced it for a while
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby suckinlhbf on Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:12 pm

From my collection:-

吕紅八勢為登封李逢源傳,李傳潢川熊占元,魏履成,南陽邢昆.河北大名鄧展熊,鄧傳河北青懸宋老邁,宋傳子清文.余于前清辛丑從學宋師清文於汴梁,宋與閻興國先師至善,是以與宋師追随學習.深得教海,據宋師云,吕紅又字鴻文,明之高塘人,惜未能詳其史略,無法記述,現将八勢功能簡陳以供同好者参考.

冲拳為勢之首,拳力為勢之主,辦不能擊諸法則不能行,故冲拳是第一步練習法,勢之必有擊或蓄進,進者攻也,此之謂動以測静,虛乘勢而入非主動之法,高來以挑攢,低尺以勾摟,四平宜掠扳,勾摟是願防抵過渡法,亦非實力于此也,與前之冲拳合而為一,無先後之别,兩手前互後應,左右相接,抽撤吸避要機勢敏捷,以順來勢之縱橫,利用走閉閃展之願應,使敵莫測其神速,勢勢主於動,手手取得連環,用以子母相生,循環變化.動作裕如,則制敵有術矣.

八勢為子母連環手,勢勢有轉換,進退有攻守,先練習單勢,能純熟自然使得出入敏捷,姿態清楚,適宜而不凝滯,旋轉圓活.順有曲伸吸避之妙,為動以測静, 虛以引真乃先發制人之法,種種變化,皆基于八勢音操.一勢一發,咸稱精巧,是能健衛身心,實不易得之妙術也.

八勢名稱如下:冲擊、挑掠、斬截、翻擰、穿轉、閉滾、雲掌、扳横.

拳語:
1. 快由于有勁,無勁必有能快,吞吐之勁相等,則無留頓不收之弊,敵非但不能接,且收打有接手.險敵萬不可接手也.
2. 手足吞吐之勁必相等.例如以五十磅之勁打出.以五十磅之勁收回,吞吐之勁不相等.病在遲緩,故敵人得接其手而擊之.
3. 藝高人膽大.膽生于藝.固不易之言.然養氣亦為拳術家要着, 氣盛可抵五成藝.
4. 練拳不練工勁,終身無大成这望,勁之種類甚多,惟閉氣不呼吸者,萬不可用.
5. 空氣之抵抗力無窮,故工勁必須以空氣為練具, 氣随拳而起伏一氣之流行也.

拳術有剛柔,南北内外殊,而應變無一定之理,學拳不易,知拳變難也,仅在純熟精善與博聞深造中去探討或有所得.拳法微妙淵宏,也絕非筆墨所能盡述其精微,所謂善學者,還從規矩,善悟者不在多言,心領神會,工純藝熟,法真理正,爐火純青,妙能入化,勳則裕如,變不可測,但施于應變閃避之機,在學者自妙而妙而運用之.

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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby chinwoo1956 on Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:20 am

Many thanks for the info, very informative and much appreciated.

Do we know if Lu Hong Ba Shi is part of the Liu He Ba Fa 66 form as moves seem very similar within the form.

If so doesn’t that date the history of Liu He Ba Fa

Would be very interested in any history of the Wu Yihui Liu he Ba Fa system.
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby Daniel-san on Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:44 pm

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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby Drake on Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:58 pm

chinwoo1956 wrote:
Do we know if Lu Hong Ba Shi is part of the Liu He Ba Fa 66 form as moves seem very similar within the form.


Liu Hong Ba Shi/Mother, and Sons Eight Linked Palms is a separate style that was integrated/adopted into the LHBF curriculum by Master Wu. From my understanding it was refined to reflect what was being taught in LHBF, and also simplified into a fast fighting form that can be used immediately while learning the rest of the curriculum.
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:28 pm

Reminds me of some of the Tang Shou Tao 8 step forms from Hong
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Re: Lu Hong Ba Shi

Postby Overlord on Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:23 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Reminds me of some of the Tang Shou Tao 8 step forms from Hong


Interestingly it was discussion between my group of friends a year ago.
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