Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

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Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby gzregorz on Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:25 am

Watch "“4 Years of No Sex and Being Vegetarian Destroyed My Old Self”" on YouTube
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby GrahamB on Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:09 am

4 seems kind of arbitrary. Why not make it 5, or 10?

Or maybe he just really needed to let one go after 4.... hard to tell.
I could be wrong.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Trick on Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:59 am

In Chinese the number four is pronounced same as the word for death.....he should have kept going, now 4 will always be haunting him......Maybe he saw as four years put his old self to death
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Bhassler on Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:54 am

He would have gone longer, but that's about the time internet porn became available, so...
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby gzregorz on Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:42 pm

GrahamB wrote:4 seems kind of arbitrary. Why not make it 5, or 10?

Or maybe he just really needed to let one go after 4.... hard to tell.


-lol- -break- -rock-

FWIW, I agree. It could be that anyone that serious about their training is the same type of person who would reach the level he did.

But who knows? May be it is the secret like Rickson Gracie not having sex before a challenge.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby gzregorz on Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:36 pm

Trick wrote:In Chinese the number four is pronounced same as the word for death.....he should have kept going, now 4 will always be haunting him......Maybe he saw as four years put his old self to death


He was probably shooting for 8 years but failed.

As anyone would...
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Strange on Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:54 am

Li Shuwen did not marry
Ppl with discipline should be admired

... if one keeps leaking qi, have to work hard to fill in back in
this is a core issue, not a trifling matter
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby suckinlhbf on Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:55 am

We are all human. We live at the MOMENT the same as other humans. Sex is kind of an intuitive behavior. Learning how to exchange, and nurture qi with sex would be more congruous. We can't say the air is polluted so we don't breath.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Bao on Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:33 am

Strange wrote:Ppl with discipline should be admired


Well... It depends really. Discipline for what, why and when?

Oh, and BTW, without talking about someone special, sort of, but in general only, sort of... what amazes me is that many of those who preaches self-control and spiritual enlightenment, or claim to be so, seem to be exceptionally smug, arrogant and humorless.

... Again, just a general notice, no one special in mind. I don’t even know how I came to think about it. ;D
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Bhassler on Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:05 pm

Bao wrote:
Strange wrote:Ppl with discipline should be admired


Well... It depends really. Discipline for what, why and when?

Oh, and BTW, without talking about someone special, sort of, but in general only, sort of... what amazes me is that many of those who preaches self-control and spiritual enlightenment, or claim to be so, seem to be exceptionally smug, arrogant and humorless.

... Again, just a general notice, no one special in mind. I don’t even know how I came to think about it. ;D


As long as we're being non-specific, some might say that the results are the thing to look at with regards to martial arts practice, not so much the story someone spins to *talk about* why he/she/it (or their art) is so special.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby suckinlhbf on Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:13 pm

The guy in the clip was just changed to do the right things, and being humane. It is nothing to do with sex, martial arts,.....enlightening... What is the excitement on doing the right things? What is the big deal on doing the right things? Why make it such a big deal? There are problems there. The problem being not doing the righteous acts from the bottom of the heart.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Strange on Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:31 am

Taoist Bed Chamber Techniques (Fang Zhong Shu) prescribes sex without ejaculation
to nurture the qi, as I understand it.
which option you feel is easier, is entirely up to you.
Maybe my brother Suckinlhbf is acquainted with better techniques

Personally, i think cultivation deals in absolute commitment, ie no sliding on any manner of slippery slope
Its not that i can do it, of course; just saying what i understand.

and, for me, it is not possible to do what the past masters did/or can achieve
if one do not reign in on one's desires.
Winning over self is the ultimate victory.... or something like that
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Trick on Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:20 am

suckinlhbf wrote:We are all human. We live at the MOMENT the same as other humans. Sex is kind of an intuitive behavior. Learning how to exchange, and nurture qi with sex would be more congruous. We can't say the air is polluted so we don't breath.

It’s the emission part that’s said to cause it smoggy
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Bao on Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:22 am

Strange wrote:Taoist Bed Chamber Techniques (Fang Zhong Shu) prescribes sex without ejaculation
to nurture the qi, as I understand it.


None of the old Neidan or Daoyin classics have the idea of "not ejaculating" or celibacy. So this idea is not really in accordance with traditional Daoist practice.

An expert in Chinese religion told me that he thought that not ejaculating and not having sex was not an invention orignally in Daoism, but something brought in by Buddhism.

He didn't describe how or explained it. But the techniques of "Fang Zhong Shu" is first described in "The Treatise of Nurturing Spirituality and Lengthening Life" written by Tao Hongjing (456–536). He was a a highly well educated scholar who practiced alchemistry and a pharmacology. He also studied and wrote about things as music and astronomy. The interesting thing though, is that though he had a both confucianist and Daoist background, he was strongly influenced by Buddhism and converted completely to Buddhism later in life. So he is probably the reason why ideas of Buddhist celibacy and restrainment come to mix with Taoism.
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Re: Jiang Yu Shan - 4 years no sex, alcohol or meat

Postby Strange on Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:04 am

Sure, I can understand some ppl are "interested" to know about such distinction and origin.
As for me being a simple guy, I'm just interested to know who can really do it.... reigning in on this monkey mind
I couldn't.
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