Karate is the Japanese Savate

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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:19 pm

I am not sure if your referring to me there Ian
I did watch the video but am not convinced by the argument
A lot of people think the various high,round and spinning kicks came to Karate via Tong Soo Do and Hwang Gi
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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:58 pm

No, it was just a more general comment really stemming from G's last post about "martial arts" in the West.

As an aside, tang soo do was one of the first arts I did, and they admitted that it came from karate.
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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby Steve James on Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:16 pm

Seems to me that the history of kicks in taekwondo would be relevant.
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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby GrahamB on Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Steve James wrote:Seems to me that the history of kicks in taekwondo would be relevant.


Watch from 31.30 onwards here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_SvlHBw5U

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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby Steve James on Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:29 pm

Interesting discussion. I'll look a little more into Tekkyon, just for fun. Anyway, I agree with the idea that people are attached more to the myths of their ma than they should. :)
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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby GrahamB on Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 pm

Steve James wrote:Interesting discussion. I'll look a little more into Tekkyon, just for fun. Anyway, I agree with the idea that people are attached more to the myths of their ma than they should. :)


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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:29 pm

Tekkyon is another of those invented traditions--or at least a reverse engineered one.
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Re: Karate is the Japanese Savate

Postby yeniseri on Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:51 pm

I like the research done by Jesse Enkamp!
He even interviewed one of the modern writers who translated the Bubishi! He even had profiled a kata! fronm Chinese origins that is stated to be an origin into many system of SE Asia. Check him out! Jesse Enkamp, mi gente!
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