Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby AJG on Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:14 am

Businesspeople devise their strategies around the market they are targeting. Same thing is happening here.

Its easier to target a demographic that is gullible, weak minded and one that wants to believe in magic tricks so as not to work hard. And the absence of any sort of competitive framework just reinforces the illusion one is selling.

Try the same on some hardened wrestlers or rugby league players (is an aussie sport for those that don't know) and see what the interest level is.

I once knew a guy whose parents sent him to a shaolin temple in china for 3-6 months to "harden up". Yep he knew some nice forms but when I mentioned we might do some light sparring there was horror in his eyes.

I guess in a market economy there is something for everyone. Ignorance is bliss.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Quigga on Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:19 am

Wayne- You said over 40 years you figured out what was neccessary to teach for a living. What are those things? I have the suspicion that those aren't so different from what was required 'back in the olden days'. I feel there's a lot of bitterness in some high level teachers - 'What have they done to my precious art! Blasphemy! Preposterous!'. Making enough of a name for oneself and enough money to live somewhat comfortably in one's later years are part of that challenge too, I guess.

Let's say you have two 100% qualified disciples, you taught them deeply and they fulfill almost or all of your standards. They get hit by a car. Both of them die due to random circumstances in life, accident, illness. One of them loses a leg, the other an arm. Who knows? I wish no harm, but then all your efforts would be for nothing since they can't completely transmit anymore or at all. They're dead and so is your lineage / school of knowledge. Was it worth it?

I thought it was strange that Adam chose to wear those stupid rings for some time. Maybe I'm jealous, maybe they were blessed or smth. Anyway it's not an image I'd like to portray myself as.

Wayne, I'll put you on my list of people who I want to meet sometime :)
The culture we feel we're part of is dying. How can we rejuvenate it? Hiding for whatever reasons can't be the answer. In the Golden Gong Fu Age someone of your calibre (I assume your skills are better than his?) would go to him and... ahem, readjust his ways. Probably behind closed doors.

Why do you feel it's trickery what he does?


Bao- 'If u better then show it' - Yeah, let's stop showing and actually exchanging. Let's become a bodybuilding board where people claim they have the biggest veiniest bicep out there without ever posting a pic. Now let's have 2000 of those people and you'll have a shitshow of a community where nothing of actual value will be produced. If one doesn't want to go so deep into the scene, fine. But let's not drop standards further than they already are. Are you a trickster yourself, hiding behind thinly veiled jealousy and laziness to expose and correct others?

What stops you from starting your own interactive magic show where people get to enjoy the experience of something they never witnessed before? - Some walking away entertained and thrilled, some intrigued and gaining a little skill, some absolutely fascinated and ready to dive all the way in.

What I hear is a lot of complaining about the way things are and very little on how they could be improved.

The broadening of discussion show that maybe things aren't as simple as one would like them to be. On a car racing board, would you expect people to only talk about engines and how they work?

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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Bao on Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:03 am

Quigga wrote:Are you a trickster yourself, hiding behind thinly veiled jealousy and laziness to expose and correct others?
What stops you from starting your own interactive magic show where people get to enjoy the experience of something they never witnessed before? - Some walking away entertained and thrilled, some intrigued and gaining a little skill, some absolutely fascinated and ready to dive all the way in.


I am not sure if you are just thinking out loudly, saying something in general manner, or if you are trying to provoke... ??? I write my blog, earlier I have taught groups and I have shared videos and still do so occasionally. Despite checking out this place and others, I am very busy driving my own business and I do well. So I am definitely not lazy and have no reason to be jealous. But I like to discuss things and I try to share what I have to share. Listening to what experienced people have to say here is mostly rewarding. But I have no need trying to show off skills or to create a show. Nowadays I have a few friends I practice together with and a couple of private students, and that is enough.

I have no reason to put on a show. But if I did so, I would probably choose to create a theater act or a magic show. There’s no reason trying to portrait yourself as something else than you are. There are many good and honest ways to attract people without pretending that you are something else than you are.

What I hear is a lot of complaining about the way things are and very little on how they could be improved.


Sometimes people give good, practical advices, but most people tend to not taking notice of them or ignore them.

The broadening of discussion show that maybe things aren't as simple as one would like them to be. On a car racing board, would you expect people to only talk about engines and how they work?


That is very true.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Bao on Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 am

GrahamB wrote:
Excellent book on the subject:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Conjuring-Asia ... 101&sr=8-1

This book charts the history of modern magic across India, China and Japan, analyzing representations in the cultural imagination of the West.


Thanks, I appreciate the tip.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 am

Quagga having a lot of students is just about self promotion,not requiring much of them,telling them they are better than they are and promising them nirvana,
The tricks are how you tell them to train,where you put their focus
If my two students die it matters little the world will go on but a line of knowledge will be lost
It is only important one person with real knowledge finds a good student
My stuff is unimportant as long as other good stuff is out there
I have had a few people ask me to teach them lately
I have to think is it worth the effort
If they are gifted and train hard they may get it in a few years but I am 70
If they are a bit slow will I go the distance
Who knows
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Fubo on Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:37 pm

Regarding the OP's video, no half decent wrestler would attempt a single leg like the guy in the video did. In a standup grappling context they would snap the head down to get the opponent to react upwards, then drop their level and shoot in, turning to position on the side of the opponents body, while remaining relatively upright. They would also keep head contact to the inside of the body for leverage, and also to avoid being guillotined. Even in a striking context, a people with decent wrestling skills wouldn't just throw a few punches and dive into the take down while leaving their base behind, as if they're diving into a swimming pool. The attacker in the video clearly doesn't have a clue on how to set up and execute a single leg, so Mizner is basing his defense on a technique that's performed incorrectly. The common excuse seems to be that not everyone on the street is a proper wrestler, so this kind of attack an defense scenario may happen, but basing your defense on a shitty single leg, is like basing you striking defense on someone that throws punches and kicks a 80 lb teen that's down a bottle of vodka and has never had a fight in his life. Basing your martial art on expectation that your opponent has no clue as to how to fight doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby Dmitri on Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Too bad Habib retired... Mizner would totally destroy him with his golden cock.

On a serious note -- always/automatic kudos to anyone who is even trying to make TJQ fighty.
But still, there's something to be said about realism, which in this particular case is sorely lacking.
It's like he's trying to defend against a puppy running towards him to play. You can't have "an" when you're being dragged backwards half-through-the-air (which is what would happen with any reasonably realistic single-leg attempt by anyone who ever wrestled as a kid).
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Re: Sifu Adam Mizner shows how Taichi can stop MMA style takedow

Postby wiesiek on Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:41 am

Mr Mizner`s vid. is showing quite good, let`s say "natural" defence,
BUT
against very open, lousy, signalized attack. Yup,it may happen sometimes...:)

This is very common problem of internet presentations, not only in discussed clip.
However, it is how you learn, teach, or getting use to new technique. Most important - it is beginning stage, (getting partner who knows what he is doin` is always a+).
If you don`t train/try it during sparring/competitions - it will be useless in reality
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