Again nice lecture which got me to think more about bajiquan.
If we just stay with the three - XYQ, BGZ and TJQ they all drill over and over.dspyrido wrote: things many people in ima like to ignore.
Power comes from drilling the same move over and over. As my sifu used to say 1000/1000 & more!
The next point was speed. In the same way this only comes from drilling efficiently.
OTOH I would not get fixated on horse stance of Baji vs xy's santi. Stances need strong flexible supple legs and need to flow in and out of various positions. Drilling continuous movement in and out of these and other stances is what's important to get speed and power. Using this foundational structure to hit and defend as a single unit is what makes all the difference.
Bob wrote:But there was more. Without structure, alignment, relaxation, repeating 1000 misalignments is not an efficient way to reach desired outcomes.
The drilling, in my experience, has never been a linear A --> B --> C development.
Trick wrote:If we just stay with the three - XYQ, BGZ and TJQ they all drill over and over.
Whether doing form or an “singular” exercise, one is always drilling the core the essence. I believe this apply to BGZ too? And for certainly it apply to TJQ forms practice, actually in TJQ doing for example BKTS over and over would not be as beneficial as doing the whole TJQ form.
dspyrido wrote:Bob wrote:But there was more. Without structure, alignment, relaxation, repeating 1000 misalignments is not an efficient way to reach desired outcomes.
The drilling, in my experience, has never been a linear A --> B --> C development.
Completely agree. I've jumped to the end point but the development was usually along the lines of:
- Basics & coordination exercises.
- Do the move slowly. Get corrected by sifu until it starts to sink in.
- Do the move medium pace. Still mess it up but start to self correct. Sifu occasionally comes over & makes a few points.
- Do it faster & continuously without the look & feel of a robot. Student has graduated to self correcting. Sifu rarely needs to say anything. They have reached the medium level.
- Keep refining & repeating so that it is lower, longer & faster. Moves become smooth & number of repetitions increase into the 100s. Relaxation happens because anyone truly tense won't be able to get to 100s of reps.
- Student is now self correcting & then thinking about the movement to the point where they are refining & testing it in applications. Student just graduated to a level where they don't need a sifu at all.
- Keep doing the last step. Mix the movement with other movements. Create new sequences. Style is adapted & things start to become sufficiently different but with an essence on the original moves. Happy times on the martial arts journey.
As for the modified stance of ma bu to santi - I noticed the same thing happened with some baji guys who did 5 element. They had the legs & the modification was not such a big leap. I also even went the other way as ma bu has some interesting application in throws & qinna which santi doesn't.
Bob wrote:I just want to be careful I am not generalizing to all lines of baji - I was also lucky that my teacher got about 3 years of hebei xing yi training from a master San Dang Qi who was living at the Wutan Center (his family moved to New York and he chose to stay in Taiwan) - Liu Yun Qiao told my teacher to learn xing yi from him and even with all the baji training San Dang Qi made him work with santishi for the first 3 months and did nothing else
. The Taijiquan (long)form practice is one long awareness drilling, drilling the frame, the Taiji body, the inward and outward sensitivity.....the flow of the form is telling..... I think the drilling to the level I am discussing is more of exception than a standard.
Walk into many TC shools & most I have seen they will be following a long sequence of 24, 32, 48 ... moves. Some never even hitting a surface in their life.
Trick wrote:Hitting objects - is not for TJQ, the method is not about single pointedness. Hitting objects may lead to an mentality of chasing objects(opponents), which is not TJQ....It’s also not a necessity for correct Xingyiquan practice..
Correct solo practice and of course partner practice gives the necessary “upon touch” training.
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