the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Gerald has trained with a number of extremely skilled people and his Xingyiquan discs are quite enjoyable. Having trained with another line of related Xingyiquan I can see the Kenny Gong 5 Exercises or the Xingyi Standing Pole Qigong that Li Deyin (both probably descend from Li Cunyi) teaches but taken to a more evolved place. The 5 Elements are demonstrated here as Jiang practiced closer to the end of his life. Liuhebafa started to leak into all of Jiang's other Neijiaquan styles in my opinion. The variants of each of the elements for practice is extremely useful and is often very similar but not quite the same to how I learned from Lloyd Day. The Mutual Creation and Destruction practices are extremely valuable to anyone looking to polish their Xingyi fundamentals. I've seen the 5 Elements taught from a number of teachers on video now and feel this is one of the most thorough presentations that is true to its school instead of a wider "standard" of Hebei Xingyiquan.

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I like the way his Xing Yi involves a lot of takedowns. I’m not an expert by any means, but this seems to a unique feature of his art. Could you say more about that aspect?

allen I think that has more to do with Gerald's personal expression and knowledge. I feel like all of the internal arts excel at throws and takedowns when it's actually trained instead of just partner striking exercises and push hands. I feel like a lot of the standing takedowns are super brutal. In my personal experience learning from people, they demonstrate on me and then I have to go figure out how that works outside of the school. Usually I like to find a judo or jujitsu place because they can take it and expect to get hit and so long as everyone is respectful can workshop it. The Xingyi striking can get in your body more quickly - all the throwing depends a lot on zhan zhuang and extended time in neigong.

I thought throwing depended on throwing practice not noi gung and standing
They may help but not teach it automatically

greytowhite wrote:allen I think that has more to do with Gerald's personal expression and knowledge. I feel like all of the internal arts excel at throws and takedowns when it's actually trained...

wayne did you miss this part? Zhan zhuang and neigong are critical to throwing in Xingyi so you can end movements in a stable, upright place and maintain a sense of equilibrium through multiple vectors of movement. We had our own basics in Aikido and Judo when I was growing up - not super different. You ever look at shuaijiao conditioning exercises? What do you think most neigong is? Pay attention, please.

I don’t know. I’ve seen a lot of samples of technique and I haven’t seen a lot of throwing and running the opponent down. It’s either a solid innovation or just something I’ve not seen before. I have an Aikido background, too, so it was of interest.

It is easy to have good stability with no moi hung at all
Your statement makes me wonder if you know what Noi Gung is

Well what's your Ka Chung?