Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

Postby oragami_itto on Mon May 03, 2021 2:12 pm

Bao wrote:
oragami_itto wrote:. It has been made clear time and again that my own thoughts and observations are meaningless, so I'd rather not waste the group's time with them.


Your opinions are just as valid as anyone else’s. HTFU ;D ;) 8-)


Well to be honest I was more trying to escape giving an opinion than looking for validation.

That said, I don't really see a connection between what is being displayed here and what I've seen in Micah or Damon's push hands. That could just be my ignorance.

I also consider the particular exercise to be a great laboratory for the fundamental skills. I don't see in this practice what I usually try to embody in my own. We could have different ideas of what the exercise is for. I'm sure they get what they expect out of it.
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

Postby Doc Stier on Mon May 03, 2021 2:34 pm

wayne hansen wrote:
Doc Stier wrote:Our time and effort is better spent in practicing whatever we like best, and promoting that, rather than wasting time criticising what we don't like. To each their own as they deem best for themselves. :-\



The natural conclusion of what you say is to never read or post here
Just train all day

Pffft! What a hoot. Talk about cognitive dissonance. ::)

So, in your opinion then, the only good reason to read or post anything hear is to criticize the comment and video posts of other group members, that great sea of unwashed masses who are your lessers in every way, right? Lol. Wow! :o
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon May 03, 2021 6:11 pm

Doc Stier wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:
Doc Stier wrote:Our time and effort is better spent in practicing whatever we like best, and promoting that, rather than wasting time criticising what we don't like. To each their own as they deem best for themselves. :-\



The natural conclusion of what you say is to never read or post here
Just train all day

Pffft! What a hoot. Talk about cognitive dissonance. ::)

So, in your opinion then, the only good reason to read or post anything hear is to criticize the comment and video posts of other group members, that great sea of unwashed masses who are your lessers in every way, right? Lol. Wow! :o


Come on, Doc. Have you not read Wayne's posts? They are all derision with nary a kind word for anyone nor constructive criticism.
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

Postby wayne hansen on Mon May 03, 2021 8:57 pm

Please tell me the positive things you see in the clip
I was just responding to what was asked
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Meditation Damon Bramich

Postby Bao on Tue May 04, 2021 12:18 am

Doc Stier wrote:Our time and effort is better spent in practicing whatever we like best, and promoting that, rather than wasting time criticising what we don't like.


A discussion board is not about criticism. People visit a board to learn more and to evaluate what they do and compare with what other people do. And they discuss what other people do to confirm what they do, look if things can be done different, get inspiration, etc. Discussing, or reading discussions, doesn't mean that people practice less.

If everyone only promoted what they did, this would turn into an advertising plattform that only the promotors visit, just like what has happened to the majority of badly moderated facebook groups.

The many different opinions and the diversity of views is a good thing. IMHO.

oragami_itto wrote:
I don't see in this practice what I usually try to embody in my own. We could have different ideas of what the exercise is for. I'm sure they get what they expect out of it.


Thanks you for replying and sharing your thoughts.

I am not sure if they do. I like that they keep the circles small and that they have a pretty upright posture. There are some basic things that I appreciate and it seems that they've got a few things better than many others (most people seem to be absolutely clueless about what they do). But otoh, they don't seem to have the intent to actually push each other, and only push at the arms, or on the "frame". I prefer closer positions and more body movement, actually turning around the centreline.

I've never understood how this rigid body rocking back and forth only would help to develop anything useful. Imagine if one person would not retreat and keep the forward position. Then the other person who retreated has no where place left to go. And if he is not used to actually use his waist and spine, he would be completely trapped. This is what happens when you don't approach the exercise from a martial POV. And this is why my original comment was "beginners mindset". Though I know that they are not tai chi beginners, they approach the exercise as if they were.

Personally I am not a fan of fixed drills, regardless if it's "push hands" or "spinning/circling hands" though I see it as a necessary stage for beginners. But it's important to not get stuck in this mind-set and be aware that there are things that, if you would do free push hands or other free exercises, would be considered as mistakes and faults. Those mistakes and faults are inherited in the basic exercises, and it can be very hard to get rid of them if you are not aware about their limitations.
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