Some development in pushing hands 2021

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Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby Yeung on Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:17 am

Some development in the current pushing hand in China, but the rules were not clearly stated:

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Taijiquan push hand vs professional wrestlers, obvious advantages, competitive taijiquan push hand development quickly, combat ability highlights.



Shanghai this year on October 23 mass Tai Chi push hand highlights. The ngo Truth-seeking Group launched the organization, which was actively participated despite the inconvenience of travel during the epidemic.

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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby wayne hansen on Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:29 pm

Still crap
I have one idea to improve it
Give them each a knife or taser
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby oragami_itto on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:53 pm

Shove hands
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby everything on Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:33 pm

there are already many successful grappling formats/rulesets in the world...
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby Subitai on Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:31 pm

IMO, I hate fixed foot position type push hands...I only do it when I have to. Or it's vs newbs.

* Otherwise I believe PH should consist of free moving footwork, with Sweeps, throws and Locks. That's how prefer to do it, if at all.
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In the 2nd video down on the OP. the one about 1:47 long.

I don't think that's bad at all. In fact the opposite. Those dudes are fairly big and strong yes, but they are also showing some skill.

I saw a trip/sweep, throws and balance displacement. Only thing missing would be allowing locks IMO.
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby Yeung on Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:19 pm

2018年吴式太极拳第五代传人修淑玉获得中国威海国际太极推手比赛冠军视频
In 2018, Xiu Shuyu, the fifth-generation successor of Wu-style Taijiquan, won the championship in the Weihai International Taiji Pushing Competition in China.

https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg2OTEwNDYyOA==.html
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby nicklinjm on Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:57 pm

Seems to me the earlier videos show barely any taiji skill at all. At least the competitor in the video Yeung posted (Xiu Shuyu) is trying to use proper taiji concepts (root, peng, using shenfa to disperse force, even saw one pluck in there)!
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby C.J.W. on Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:27 pm

While others may disagree, I've always felt that PH is meant to be a form of cooperative two-man training that builds connection, structure, and sensitivity. That is why turning PH into a competition simply defeats its purpose.
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:45 pm

You are right but no reason why it can’t become super lively and realistic
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:14 pm

Lively, sure, but if you're diverging from principle are you really getting the full benefit?
I mean if you want to spar, spar. If you want to roll or fight, do that.
Push hands, in my opinion, is not realistic. It's fun, it's critical to developing taijiquan skills, but if you're doing push hands to convince yourself your shit works in a realistic self defense encounter, you're just deluding and cheating yourself.
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Hey I watched the Orlando stuff a lot of delusion there
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:48 pm

You mean Tampa Bay?

The folks that want to go full contact had a space set up and got their fill.

If you want to show them how it's done, I'll sponsor your trip to the next retreat, or any subsequent retreat thereafter. Air fare round trip from Australia and I'll even put you up in the finest hotel plant city has to offer and cover all your meals.

Not as a challenge, mind you, but because I'd be genuinely ecstatic to have the chance to work with you.

This is an earnest offer.

You wouldn't even have to sully your energy with touching any of these unskilled charlatans. You could just sit and watch and take silent mental notes on how bad they are to report back here.
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:12 pm

Send the cash I will think about it
Tampa Orlando it’s all Boca Vista to me
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:15 am

Well just sending a bunch of cash makes me a bit uneasy. Let me see if I can find some way to escrow the sum that you could verify I was sincere, but where I could get it back in case you decide not to come. More later on this...
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Re: Some development in pushing hands 2021

Postby Doc Stier on Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:30 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Send the cash I will think about it.

Hahaha! I learned at an early age that "I'll think about it" usually means NO, so don't get your hopes up, because it probably ain't gonna happen. My mom was an expert at deflecting and delaying the final disappointment in this way. :-\
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