Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby windwalker on Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:57 pm

Example of Buddhist influence



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WupJYPjXq1M

Yoga student and Wu Style Taijiquan Champion Wang Chun Ming learning Dabeiquan.
Filmed at BLCU (Beijing, China) Spring 2009.

The physical practice of the Buddhist Great Compassion Mantra. Dabeiquan is not Taiji ... nor Yoga ... But something unique and in between.

This practice travelled from India to China between 400-600AD. After the 13th Century Dabeiquan faded from common view.

Most current practitioners trace their lineage back to the Shaolin Temple system.
Hence, the strong wushu flavor of most modern Dabeiquan.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0jdMf10nM&t=59s
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby C.J.W. on Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:34 am

Here's another clip by the same teacher demonstrating how to issue different types of jin using -- according to him -- the heart, liver, spleen, lungs, and kidneys.



While the jin tricks he shows can be reproduced by any decent IMA guy, his way of generating power by visualizing the specific directional movements of the organs is quite interesting to me.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby suckinlhbf on Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:26 pm

This is also why there is no pure Buddhist martial arts in China. They are all results from this mixed bag of thought, or the big pool of ideas.


Yes, they are all from the big pool of ideas. The name is a brand name to tell people I get a piece or some pieces of the puzzle. But realistically, it is impossible to be able to get all the pieces.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby Strange on Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:05 am

with respect to your teachers, Chinwoo, that "story" may not be entirely correct.
to my understanding, the "development" path of LHBF and Dacheng are quite separate and distinct;
though it is said that Wang did encourage his students to learn from Wu.
Having said that, it is stated in LHBF text that the art was traditionally passed on amongst taoists and chinese physicians
who practice the art in secrecy and did not and did not need to advertise the fact that they know ma.
(as opposed to xy / xylh practitioners whose trade were armed escorts, for example).
So, it is understandable that not everyone knows about LHBF.
Personally, I think "they" keep it this way as part of their bing fa or art of war.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby chinwoo1956 on Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:48 am

Hi

You said :

“ that "story" may not be entirely correct.
to my understanding, the "development" path of LHBF and Dacheng are quite separate and distinct; “

Can you explain more please and where is your information is from. What makes them separate??.

My info is coming direct from a in door disciple of Wu.

I never understand why Taoism, Buddhism and any religion are connected to the fighting arts why would they be?.

In Shanghai the art was used and taught as a fighting art my teacher studied both arts.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby suckinlhbf on Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:12 am

Chinwoo,

Interesting. Should visit your teacher, have some funs, go for good foods and alcohol if he/she is still alive. I think all in door disciplines of Wu are gone.

I heard Wu and Wang were good friend, and played together often when they were in Shanghai. I am also wondering what come out from the play as their approaches are different. Wu is soft and Wang is hard. Do you have any stories to share? Just want to know from the combat prospective.

I never understand why Taoism, Buddhism and any religion are connected to the fighting arts why would they be?.

Some practitioners would go for the spiritual training from religion to help them get beyond the physical block they may face. My 2cents.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby chinwoo1956 on Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:20 pm

Hi

" Should visit your teacher, have some funs, go for good foods and alcohol if he/she is still alive."

Great fun answer and you are correct my teacher has passed away sometime ago.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby Strange on Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:33 pm

Chinwoo, i am sure there are a great deal of exchanges between the 2, Wang and Wu.
however, do note that Wang also specifically mention 2 other masters in his book.
Namely, Jie TieFu of Hunan and Fang YiZhuang of FuJian. Wang also stayed to study with Jie for
a period of 1 year. (I think others pronounce Jie as Xie; but you understand my chinese is average only)
and it is said that Jie taught/shared everything that he knew/understood with Wang.

So if you wanna talk about other influences of Dacheng, we would also have to take into account the other 2 masters.
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Re: Cliff Lok Liuhebafa Documentary

Postby suckinlhbf on Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:27 pm

to issue different types of jin using -- according to him -- the heart, liver, spleen, lungs, and kidneys.


I think he was saying to exercise/train your heart, liver, spleen, lung, and kidneys from doing the form.
The whole body movements of the form will lead the organs to move and massage themselves. Each move has its focus so it stimulates different parts of the body MORE. The five elements in Chinese refer to a system other than an individual organ. It trains the systems. We could damage our spleen (the organ) easy if we use it to issue power.
It may be easier to grasp the ideas with Xinyi Five Element Punches.
Pi - Metal -Lung, Beng - Wood - Liver, Zuan - Water - Kidney, Pao - Fire - Heart, and Heng - Earth - Spleen.
Each move has its own focus. The key is to release, not compress. Still, can't emphasis more on whole body movement.
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