NONE and I will repeat again NONE of this works on even the slightest resistance by any trained individual.
I went around Taiwan and no one could make any of this work on me. Not even once.
thats "your" experience
Others including myself have different ones.
How its used is very different than the way its trained and demoed,
in this would agree it can be kind of misleading...
NONE of this works on even the slightest resistance by any trained individual.
Not really a logical statement considering many people training from other styles with many years of training behind them
often end up training with the teachers after feeling something different at work..
Met teacher Lin, and his group awhile back...
thought his training was ok..
Interesting enough in interaction with some of his group off line,
was able to affect them as he did...It surprised them.
Might be worthwhile for those to consider the theory by which it said to work.
All the teachers I've met and research done they all used a very similar theory or the same.
If you aren't in their cult, none of this stuff works and they have to resort to other measures. In the case of the 228 Park group in the top clip, they have guys that also do white crane and compete in moving step push hands that can address anyone that refuses to be led around by the hoppy nonsense.
Always interesting reading .
Are taiji people also in a "cult" seeing as none of their stuff works in a public ring.
When I was there I pushed with a couple of people, who found they couldn't do much with me.
They then invited me to push with one of their senior group leaders.
He started out very soft, and suddenly resorted to using a quick pull.
Which also didn't work..
I smiled, complemented him in the group on the skill and stopped not wanting to make the group leader lose face...
Regarding push hands, consider it a training device, to develop, demo, or allow others to feel different skill sets...with out getting injured in the process.
Not a fan of using it as a measurement tool or some type of competition.
never get the animosity towards it considering all the threads on qi gong the current thread on "shen". ect...
It's all good in reading about it,,,until what is shown that people freely write about...
when its shown they start to lose their minds....