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Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby Appledog on Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:40 pm

This one made me look twice.

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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:29 pm

Can someone please post the url
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby marvin8 on Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:31 pm

wayne hansen wrote:Can someone please post the url


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07MVMEqdMQ
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:33 pm

Don’t worry
I found it
Either he is a good actor or the man bun is throwing him down
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby Bao on Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:52 pm

Oh, this one again? Don't remember if it has been posted here though.

I think she shows some good qualities, seems like she has something good going on. But I wonder how she would do if her partner hadn't thrown out all he (presumably) learned about Tai Chi out through the window. Two people actually playing against each other, both using Tai Chi skills against each other would be more interesting. ...But I guess...
...also more revealing...
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:16 am

She's pretty good, I have no problem saying better than me, better than any of the US HME affiliates, but he isn't offering much of a challenge.
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby windwalker on Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:22 am

Friend of mine teaching his class in Singapore
Working on some of the same skill sets shown in the OP clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgijc-edvM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T5db-ppse4

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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby Dmitri on Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:47 am

Her structure looks good, but isn't there enough bad aikido out there already?
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby everything on Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:15 am

windwalker wrote:Friend of mine teaching his class in Singapore
Working on some of the same skill sets shown in the OP clip.


really interesting to see some progression.

level

to use golf as an analogy, we don't hit a few balls over a few weekends then go play with Tiger Woods. also: I can't even make contact with the ball, never mind a clean hit, never mind aim, never mind a birdie. can I throw someone? yes. tai chi jin? no.
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby Formosa Neijia on Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:02 pm

She's pretty good, I have no problem saying better than me, better than any of the US HME affiliates...


Jesus wept. It's a bit mind-boggling how low the level is in kungfu. If that was me, I would be ashamed of putting that up and to see it getting any praise really is eye-opening.

If anyone needs a palate cleanser, here are two little kids that would wipe the flower with vegan girl and man-bun boy at the same time and there's nothing they could do about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPeQz2sxIc
I've seen more skill out of beginners at strip-mall karate classes than in the OP's clip.
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:16 pm

It sure is a race to the bottom
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby everything on Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:15 pm

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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:15 pm

Yes those kids have skill but I don’t see the connection
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby Appledog on Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:53 pm

Formosa Neijia wrote:Jesus wept. It's a bit mind-boggling how low the level is in kungfu. If that was me, I would be ashamed of putting that up and to see it getting any praise really is eye-opening.


Yeah I thought everyone would see through this one right away. Oh well?
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Re: Kristin Nieger Push Hands Video

Postby origami_itto on Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:51 am

Appledog wrote:
Formosa Neijia wrote:Jesus wept. It's a bit mind-boggling how low the level is in kungfu. If that was me, I would be ashamed of putting that up and to see it getting any praise really is eye-opening.


Yeah I thought everyone would see through this one right away. Oh well?

So.. what is it that you think she's doing and what do you think she is doing incorrectly?

Looks to me like manipulating his center of mass through his contact point. It's a very common thing to do in non-cooperative push hands. None of the higher-ranking HME students or teachers I've come across with have demonstrated this level of control with me. Even Curtis Brough was prone more to just powering through my structure than relying on any subtlety.

Generally I need another contact point to get both of someone's feet off the ground and I can only really pull it off well in a couple positions at this point. So definitely need more work. She's demonstrating a variety of angles and redirections.

Now the caveat is the other guy. I think the early phases of the HME training definitely make you easy to throw around if you don't know what you're doing or don't follow instructions. I guess? I dunno I got a lot out of the system but YMMV. I touched a kid from Alabama at the retreat with I think like 6 months of study in the system, and he was just a perfect little throwing partner. Just unified enough to help me get his whole body easily and pretty much make him do whatever I wanted with a finger. He was a little better after the five minute foundations tune-up but still. Anybody watching us would have thought I was Adam Mizner himself.

So I'm sure this dude is just giving her what she needs to make it work. Makes it easier to look good. But I wouldn't dismiss her as having no skill.

You might not believe there is any value to the skill itself and that's fine, I find it useful in non-cooperative push hands and actual fights that I've been in.
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