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Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:56 pm

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Features the latest victory by Yang Family member Miciah Guglielmi, winning his 6th national Push

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dpBpBvxZFY


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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby Subitai on Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:52 pm

Oh Boy! Waiting for the next slew of posts that are coming like:

1) "that's NOT Tai chi"

2) "it's sumo and too forceful "

3) "that's Not internal...wheres the yielding?"

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Anyway, i'd like to see other possibilities other than trying to get your opponent out of the circle.

(Just a Sparring session)
If you take away the judges and the circle "ring" and just work out (I.e. Spar someone) separately... You can both move eachother around 3, 5 or even 10 feet back....that doesn't hurt anyone. But inevitably, as one of you scores MORE throws, MORE Sweeps / takedowns & perhaps even more LOCKS. Both guys know deep down who is winning and who is getting owned.


* Yeah, I would prefer Push Hands in a LARGER area...where the goals would be to score mostly by "Throw, sweep or Locks". But I guess that's too dangerous. Rolls eyes.
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby everything on Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:21 pm

there's always snl
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:41 pm

What do you mean, not Tai Chi?
Do the classics not say "put both hands on their shoulder and shove till they're out of the circle"?
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:14 pm

Several years ago one of our junior students won 5 gold medals in an Australian championship
He told me he was going to visit my teacher
I told him to make sure he wore the 5 gold medals around his neck when they pushed
He soon found out what I meant
There seems to be a big crowd there for the final
If these guys are the lineage holders I need a rethink
When you talk about Australia I think you might ask how long the teacher has been here in Australia
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:45 am

wayne hansen wrote:Several years ago one of our junior students won 5 gold medals in an Australian championship
He told me he was going to visit my teacher
I told him to make sure he wore the 5 gold medals around his neck when they pushed
He soon found out what I meant
There seems to be a big crowd there for the final
If these guys are the lineage holders I need a rethink
When you talk about Australia I think you might ask how long the teacher has been here in Australia

Yes his teacher is Damon Bramich, who says he inherited the title of Yang FamilyTai Chi lineage holder from Fu Zhongwen who got it by marrying into the family.

I think he's a native Aussie, isn't he?

https://newcastletaichi.com.au/teacher-profiles/
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:21 am

I found the rules, in case anyone is interested. No kicking, meaning any impact with the foot or shin above the ankle.

Is this a legitimate measure of Taijiquan skill or a shoving game?

http://www.taichiaustralia.com/docs/TCA ... _Hands.pdf
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby everything on Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:56 am

what kinds of throws are allowed or not allowed?

generally speaking, why not just use the very widely popular existing formats for sports competition?

for a shoving game, the most fun one is standing on one of those giant gymnastics foam log things with the giant "staff" that look like foam "dumbbells" and shove each other off the foam log. you can use "brute force". you can use whatever you think is "Taiji" be it fascia, qi, jin, li, who cares. it doesn't matter how much skill you have, really, to have fun. your balance needs to be good as the log rolls slightly. everyone will end up laughing a lot. OR put on those sumo suits...
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:19 pm

everything wrote:what kinds of throws are allowed or not allowed?

generally speaking, why not just use the very widely popular existing formats for sports competition?

for a shoving game, the most fun one is standing on one of those giant gymnastics foam log things with the giant "staff" that look like foam "dumbbells" and shove each other off the foam log. you can use "brute force". you can use whatever you think is "Taiji" be it fascia, qi, jin, li, who cares. it doesn't matter how much skill you have, really, to have fun. your balance needs to be good as the log rolls slightly. everyone will end up laughing a lot. OR put on those sumo suits...


As far as I can tell you're only allowed to use your hands because any contact with your feet would be illegal. Maybe a diagonal flying type throw or hip toss but I doubt that would fly.

Basically whatever you call do with your hands...
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:18 pm

Pretty sure he is English but I might be wrong
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby everything on Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:58 pm

It seems like fun regardless of format.

That said, I’m feeling too old for vigorous sports.

If I weren’t, the really popular sports are even more fun. I would claim objectively-subjectively as evidenced by participation.

So….old man taiji that gets poo pooed it is :D
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby Doc Stier on Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:50 pm

Many years ago at an International CMA tournament event, I sat with the late T.T. Liang in the front row of seats on the sideline watching a 'Push Hands' competition like the one shown in the OP video, commenting on everything we saw...the good, the bad and the ugly.

It was a rough affair, particularly in the heavier weight divisions. After a little more than an hour, Master Liang said "today is the first time I have ever seen blood drawn in a push hands competition. This is not good TCC." He then grabbed his walking cane, informed me that he couldn't bear to watch any more of the competition, and retired to his hotel room.
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby windwalker on Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:48 pm

n 1991 Phillip Starr became the National Chairman for the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU)

He held a national event

Took fist in taiji mens forms division, 37 step my taiji style at the time.
didn’t place in the push hands contest held :P ..

Kind of funny as all the taiji people were pushed out by those who didn’t practice taiji ;D
It was opened to all styles…most of those who won from a local kuntao gym…

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A friend of mine judging the event. :)

Lost the event, oddly enough the guy who won later walked up to me and said…
”Out all the people here your the only one who really knows taiji “

Taiji not my primary style at the time….

much later would judge ph events for other friends hosting contest in the Bay Area....
would take both the winer and loser after the contest
and show them a different way of approaching push hands..

After awhile, stopped feeling the practice was not really something I felt was
useful as practiced.. Others might, for me no...

Not a fan of push hands…used as a contest...
If someone wants to demo taiji skill set publicly,
they should just compete or spar bringing the skill sets

gained through ph into their practice...
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:53 pm

windwalker wrote:n 1991 Phillip Starr became the National Chairman for the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU)

He held a national event

Took fist in taiji mens forms division, 37 step my taiji style at the time.
didn’t place in the push hands contest held :P ..

Kind of funny as all the taiji people were pushed out by those who didn’t practice taiji ;D
It was opened to all styles…most of those who won from a local kuntao gym…

Doc Fai Wong, "CLF"
A friend of mine judging the event. :)

Lost the event, oddly enough the guy who won later walked up to me and said…
”Out all the people here your the only one who really knows taiji “

Taiji not my primary style at the time….

much later would judge ph events for other friends hosting contest in the Bay Area....
would take both the winer and loser after the contest
and show them a different way of approaching push hands..

After awhile, stopped feeling the practice was not really something I felt was
useful as practiced.. Others might, for me no...

Not a fan of push hands…used as a contest...
If someone wants to demo taiji skill set publicly,
they should just compete or spar bringing the skill sets

gained through ph into their practice...


yes, this sort of format is aggressive enough to appear "martial" but it defangs the art and robs it of exactly the tools that would be most effective in dealing with superior force with the end result of it being much sound and fury, signifying nothing
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Re: Tai Chi Push Hands Miciah Guglielmi 6 X National Champion Au

Postby origami_itto on Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:54 pm

Doc Stier wrote:Many years ago at an International CMA tournament event, I sat with the late T.T. Liang in the front row of seats on the sideline watching a 'Push Hands' competition like the one shown in the OP video, commenting on everything we saw...the good, the bad and the ugly.

It was a rough affair, particularly in the heavier weight divisions. After a little more than an hour, Master Liang said "today is the first time I have ever seen blood drawn in a push hands competition. This is not good TCC." He then grabbed his walking cane, informed me that he couldn't bear to watch any more of the competition, and retired to his hotel room.

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