the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

origami_itto wrote:yes, this sort of format is aggressive enough to appear "martial" but it defangs the art and robs it of exactly the tools that would be most effective in dealing with superior force with the end result of it being much sound and fury, signifying nothing

And for the 100 trillionth time, you're welcome to take fairy-fu out there and show them how it's done any time. Please post video as we all need a good laugh.

I'm being told this is Damon Bramich's student and apparently all of Bramich's guys regularly wipe the floor with Adam Mizner's people so I heartily approve in every way. Enlightenment by concrete may not work on everyone but it's still a good way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

Formosa Neijia wrote:

origami_itto wrote:yes, this sort of format is aggressive enough to appear "martial" but it defangs the art and robs it of exactly the tools that would be most effective in dealing with superior force with the end result of it being much sound and fury, signifying nothing

And for the 100 trillionth time, you're welcome to take fairy-fu out there and show them how it's done any time. Please post video as we all need a good laugh.

I'm being told this is Damon Bramich's student and apparently all of Bramich's guys regularly wipe the floor with Adam Mizner's people so I heartily approve in every way. Enlightenment by concrete may not work on everyone but it's still a good way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

I don't doubt that Damon's students would demolish 99% of Mizner's in this format or in general.

I don't care to participate in this format because, as I wrote and you quoted, I don't believe it is worth a damn. I'd much rather meet informally. I'd relish the opportunity to get shoved around by Micah for an hour or two.

Don’t seem to be many people in shot for an Australian title
Where was it held
Who competed
I doubt his people wipe the floor with Mizners people
Only because I’ve never seen them push with other schools
Who told you they wipe the floor with them
Any decent Rugby player would wipe the floor with either group

wayne hansen wrote:Don’t seem to be many people in shot for an Australian title
Where was it held
Who competed
I doubt his people wipe the floor with Mizners people
Only because I’ve never seen them push with other schools
Who told you they wipe the floor with them
Any decent Rugby player would wipe the floor with either group

Interesting didn't know Rugby players,

played push hands

They have the best wrestling and boxing coaches in the world
They wrestle in every game for hours in training
Their strength training is superb
I was teaching pushing to top league coaches 40 years ago and asked to train Balmain first grade by the second grade coach who came Queensland to try to get me to go to Sydney
Seemed like too much work to me
Believe me they are much better now

wayne hansen wrote:
Believe me they are much better now

No doubt ...

As mentioned not a fan of PH used for competition,
understand the reasons others might..

Formosa Neijia wrote: Enlightenment by concrete…

I love this… and claim it for Queen and country!

origami_itto wrote:

Formosa Neijia wrote:

origami_itto wrote:yes, this sort of format is aggressive enough to appear "martial" but it defangs the art and robs it of exactly the tools that would be most effective in dealing with superior force with the end result of it being much sound and fury, signifying nothing

And for the 100 trillionth time, you're welcome to take fairy-fu out there and show them how it's done any time. Please post video as we all need a good laugh.

I'm being told this is Damon Bramich's student and apparently all of Bramich's guys regularly wipe the floor with Adam Mizner's people so I heartily approve in every way. Enlightenment by concrete may not work on everyone but it's still a good way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

I don't doubt that Damon's students would demolish 99% of Mizner's in this format or in general.

I don't care to participate in this format because, as I wrote and you quoted, I don't believe it is worth a damn. I'd much rather meet informally. I'd relish the opportunity to get shoved around by Micah for an hour or two.

Is there a competitive format you do think is meaningful to test what you develop in your practice ?

frankly

bro

just cos you think "it ain't worth a damn"

guess, what, that don't mean shit either.

it's not the best format.. i agree with subatai, it should be bigger area and more techniques allowed, like in europe.

but, the skills and attributes it puts to the test are what you need to have. do you deny it?

all it is is the same thing you do with your partners at a high intensity level and keeping score of your successes and failures.
can you take control or can they control you - at touch, it's what you have been saying you train to achieve isn't it?
yet you condescend over it vocally in public.

so what's that about ?

cloudz wrote:
Is there a competitive format you do think is meaningful to test what you develop in your practice ?

Yes, meeting with other people informally.

No I don't believe this format has anything whatsoever to offer as proof of anything related to Taijiquan skills.

if you can't handle (control) someone in that format, you're not going to miraculously handle and control them anywhere else.
for that reason, i just don't get your attitude.

by all means - it's not for you - but then why hate on it. it may be " shitty wrestling" in one sense. but then, same time, it's not that (wrestling) either.
what should it be, should it be nothing ?

origami_itto wrote:

cloudz wrote:
Is there a competitive format you do think is meaningful to test what you develop in your practice ?

Yes, meeting with other people informally.

No I don't believe this format has anything whatsoever to offer as proof of anything related to Taijiquan skills.

so why can't you show your yielding skills, positioning, your ability to move someone, who is trying to move you?
how is it different other that intensity.
help me understand

i've competed and do what you do as well, so I'm not clueless about this.
I have years of experience, and I just don't get your attitude.

if you have never tried it, how can you really have a credible opinion about whether it would help your development or not ?

Hey if you like it, go for it.

cloudz wrote:

origami_itto wrote:No I don't believe this format has anything whatsoever to offer as proof of anything related to Taijiquan skills.

so why can't you show your yielding skills, positioning, your ability to move someone, who is trying to move you?
how is it different other that intensity.
help me understand
i've competed and do what you do as well, so I'm not clueless about this.
I have years of experience, and I just don't get your attitude.
if you have never tried it, how can you really have a credible opinion about whether it would help your development or not ?

It's all about maintaining their superiority attitude. They sit in judgement of anyone competing while never having to step up to the plate themselves. You listed the many attributes that this develops, but by avoiding competing like this they don't have to expose that they can't make those attributes work against a resisting opponent while still being able to criticize everyone else that has the guts to get out there.

Really, it's what the weak do -- tear down the strong.

Any established format is good

As long as your coach does this if you lose

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