the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkfDQ9s8Mk

Shang Yunxiang exclamation：Xingyiquan is the same as the running of a train wheel.
Did you understand?

At the end of the day, he’s just another guy doing the Internal arts in an external manner. He then tries to figure out the answers to some of the classic guidelines and key phrases that are passed down with these styles. But since he has no basis of internal movement, he misses the mark. But they wouldn’t say it’s “wrong”, if his misinterpretation actually benefits someone, then it is still ‘correct’.

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D_Glenn wrote:At the end of the day, he’s just another guy doing the Internal arts in an external manner. He then tries to figure out the answers to some of the classic guidelines and key phrases that are passed down with these styles. But since he has no basis of internal movement, he misses the mark. But they wouldn’t say it’s “wrong”, if his misinterpretation actually benefits someone, then it is still ‘correct’.

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Interesting.

Like his work and feel he does a good job presenting his ideas and applications.
As to the level of internal ability or skill, kind of depends no ?

What I or anyone else might feel is internal may not meet the requirements of others.

D Glenn, can you explain the difference between internal and external without mentioning Bolangjin / Fanlangjin?

Respectfully

Basically it’s figuring out a way to do two things at the same time-
A) throw a punch/ strike the arm outward, whereby the skeletal bones of the arm, are moving outward but leaving the flesh that’s attached to the bones behind. It’s only the bones that hit the opponent.
So to derive real internal power-
B) one needs to simultaneously do another movement that will initiate an upward movement of the flesh of the abdomen (Dantian) and move that wave all the way out into the arm. Initially this requires a lot of work, both physically but more mentally, to refine a relatively large movement into smaller and more efficient movement. In the end, with a ton of training, it’s a small movement but it has a big effect.

All the talk about qi, transmission of force etc. are all describing the feelings of getting the waves of flesh to move and arrive at the same time as the bones of your hand/ arm are hitting the opponent.

It works in throwing too because it’s a totally different feeling of using momentum to focus the throw and require less energy and movement.

It’s impossible to describe what it feels like, but there’s a clear tangible feeling of when the wave makes it all the way to the end. But basically, saying the qi made it to the hand, makes a lot of sense. Moving the flesh in this manner, for some reason is taxing on the body. So we say it requires qi to be able to practice it. That’s where the cultivation of qi comes into play.

When you can do this everything in the classic texts of the Chinese Internal Arts makes sense. As you’re walking down the same path as the predecessors who created, sung and transcribed the guidelines.


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All except Earth

In this video, he’s showing horizontal circle/ rotation/ Zhuanhuan power up until about 7:57 where they get him to talk a little bit about the true generation of power on a vertical circle.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= qXdH2r8dZHs



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Impressive how structured this guy is in his teaching—he showed them basically the whole progression: zhan zhuang, tendon chaining and flexion, horizontal torque by the kua, vertical folding of the chest and pelvis, stepping, and the combination of all that with powering the whole thing by the dantien.