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Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:05 am
by marvin8
Clear's Internal Combat Arts
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Source:
https://www.podbean.com/eau/pb-ng289-...

Ting Jin is one of the most important skills in Tai Chi. It is impossible to progress to the highest levels of Tai Chi without it. Joins us and learn more. Part 1 of 2.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovj_OR5Umv8

Clear's Internal Combat Arts
Aug 5, 2022

Source:
https://www.podbean.com/eau/pb-jj7x6-...

Ting Jin is one of the most important skills in Tai Chi. It is impossible to progress to the highest levels of Tai Chi without it. Joins us and learn more. Part 2 of 2.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb0wxBM4dqw

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:41 am
by GrahamB
I'm not listening to somebody talking about listening for 1 hour 25. Who's got time for dat?

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:42 am
by origami_itto
GrahamB wrote:I'm not listening to somebody talking about listening for 1 hour 25. Who's got time for dat?

You are singing the song of my people, my brother!

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Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:47 am
by marvin8
GrahamB wrote:I'm not listening to somebody talking about listening for 1 hour 25. Who's got time for dat?

Not 1 hour 25, it's 3 hours 21 mins. Sorry, I fell asleep. My bad for not listening to enough of it, first. I wanted to delete it, but it's too late.

IMO, it's too vague and not worth listening to. It makes me think they don't know what they're talking about.

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:20 am
by marvin8
One video of setups and what to "listen" for.

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Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:09 am
by Bao
Well, I don’t mind an intellectual discussion as long as people can learn valuable and useful things, stuff and tips they can actually use to enhance their practice. If it becomes a part of marketing and branding, or just a sake of ego and vanity, it tends to miss the mark. I am not sure how rambling subjective, personal experiences could benefit anyone, except for their own egos.

I am sometimes wondering how it would sound if musicians would hold the same kind of discussions. Not even yoga practitioners do this. They do, they practice and the results speak for themselves.

Sometimes the Taiji, IMA and qigong world just feels like a giant nut case.

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:36 pm
by Tom
Bao wrote:. . . Sometimes the Taiji, IMA and qigong world just feels like a giant nut case.


Only sometimes?

;D

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:34 pm
by Bao
Tom wrote:
Bao wrote:. . . Sometimes the Taiji, IMA and qigong world just feels like a giant nut case.


Only sometimes?

;D


Ha ha! :D

Well, the whole World is obviously totally crazy… so most of the time, Taijiquan makes perfectly sense. ;)

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:44 am
by origami_itto
Bao wrote:
Tom wrote:
Bao wrote:. . . Sometimes the Taiji, IMA and qigong world just feels like a giant nut case.


Only sometimes?

;D


Ha ha! :D

Well, the whole World is obviously totally crazy… so most of the time, Taijiquan makes perfectly sense. ;)


It's like a granola bar. Get rid of the fruits and nuts and you still got a whole lot of flakes.

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:50 am
by Bao
origami_itto wrote:It's like a granola bar. Get rid of the fruits and nuts and you still got a whole lot of flakes.


That was deep.

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:30 am
by marvin8
Similar to Valentina Shevchenko, Greg Nelson demonstrates listening (ting) and control (na).

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Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:27 pm
by Steve James
Isn't it interesting that the least important tool for "listening" -in this context- are the ears. Imo, "to listen" (ting) involves using every other sense (or extra-sense) to know the opponent. Clearly it involves touch -and martial arts/sports disciplines may use touch differently (judo v muay thai). So, ime, transferring touch sensitivity from one form of grappling to another is relatively straightforward because the mechanisms are similar.

I don't think "ting" is unique to cma/tcc, apart from giving it a name, or naming it a 'jin.' There are probably lots of people who are good at it but never heard the term. Tcc -in theory- demands an extremely high level of sensitivity. You know, "a fly or a feather landing on" would set you in motion.

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:32 pm
by Quigga
Nope, the ears are the most important part in listening

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Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:31 pm
by wayne hansen
Neither a feather can land
Nor a fly alight
Without setting the body in motion

Re: Ting Jin (Listening), Pts. 1 & 2 — Clear Tai Chi

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:44 am
by Bao
Steve James wrote: I don't think "ting" is unique to cma/tcc, apart from giving it a name, or naming it a 'jin.' There are probably lots of people who are good at it but never heard the term. Tcc -in theory- demands an extremely high level of sensitivity.


First, tingjin is a developed type of skill, which means that you need to practice in certain ways for a certain amount of time. You won’t have it until you have developed it.

In Taijiquan, we practice to not use strength against strength. If you understand how to not offer any resistance and to not let the opponent attach his strength directly against you, you will develop a certain type of sensitivity. If you are hard and use force against force or resistance against force, you cannot achieve what is called tingjin. So what Taijiquan calls tingjin is in fact something developed in Taijiquan specifically and is a consequence of Taijiquan practice. However, I am sure good bjj and shuaijiao practitioners can develop the same type of sensitivity. I am not convinced though that many styles have the right tools and methods to develop it. And I am far from convinced that lots of people are good at it. Even in Taijiquan I’ve only met a handful of people who “get it”.