Clip outlining the understanding of "jin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGEP5X78G1w&t=445s
what is said and shown by this teacher, very consistent among all teachers showing the same things
explained in slightly different ways...
cloudz wrote:tingjin and dongjin are skill applicable to force and not qualities of force
listening TO force
understanding OF force
long or short release for example - agreed are a result of taiji specific practice
then there's peng jin and ji jin, these too can be described as qualities, expressions, types - choose your terms
太極拳之勁
ON TAIJI BOXING’S ENERGIES
[91]
問太極之勁。略分幾種意思。
To outline the energies in Taiji, they divide into how many distinct concepts?
答就余所知者。約有粘勁。化勁 提勁 放勁 借勁 截勁 捲勁 入勁 抖擻勁數種。
The only ones I know about are sticking, neutralizing, lifting, releasing, borrowing, intercepting, rolling, penetrating, and shaking.
[92]
問何謂粘勁。
What is sticking energy?
答粘住敵人之臂。或輕粘之。或重粘之。不使之丢脫。是謂粘勁。
Sticking to the opponent’s arm, be it lightly or heavily, and not allowing him to break connection or get away.
[93]
問何謂化勁。
What is neutralizing energy?
答粘住敵人。彼若用力來推。則粘而化之。大槪直來之力。用曲綫左右引之。使變其方向。是謂化勁。
When you are sticking to an opponent, if he forcefully pushes, then stick to it and neutralize it. Generally the power of an attack will be in a straight line and you will use a curve to draw it off to the left or right, causing its direction to change.
[94]
問何謂提勁。
What is lifting energy?
答粘住敵人之臂。彼若用力上翻。則隨之上起。使之脚跟提起。是謂提勁。
When sticking to an opponent’s arm, if he uses effort to turn it over upward, I follow it by lifting upward, causing his heels to lift.
[95]
問何謂放勁。
What is releasing energy?
答敵脚跟提起。身不穩時。則隨其傾側之方向而放之。則毫不費力。而跌出必遠。是謂放勁。太極拳論云。蓄勁如張弓。發勁如放箭。敵提起時。我勁已蓄。隨其方向。沈着鬆淨。去如放箭。孫子曰。勢如擴弩。節如發機。卽此意也。
Once the opponent’s heels lift and his body is no longer stable, I release energy along the direction he is leaning, and without the slightest effort he is made to stumble far away. A Taiji Boxing essay [Understanding How to Practice] says: “Store power like drawing a bow. Issue power like loosing an arrow.” When the opponent lifts, my energy is already stored. I follow along with his direction, sinking and loosening completely, and send him away like loosing an arrow. Sunzi said [Art of War, chapter 5]: “The power is like a loaded crossbow. The moment is like a flick of the trigger.” This is exactly the idea.
[96]
問何謂借勁。
What is borrowing energy?
答敵若前推。則借其前推之力而採之。敵若後扯。則借其後扯之力而放之。左右上下皆然。是謂借勁。
If an opponent pushes forward, borrow the power of his push and pull him. If he pulls back, borrow the power of his pull and push him. For left and right or up and down, it is the same. [Borrowing energy just means you adopt the same direction he’s going in and then give him a loan of four ounces.]
[97]
問何謂截勁。
What is intercepting energy?
答敵若用拳來擊。不及變化。則用截粘。截勁者。卽碰勁也。一碰卽跌出。此非功夫深者不能也。
If an opponent attacks with a punch and it is too late to adjust, then intercept and stick. Intercepting energy means “knocking energy”: once there is contact, he stumbles away. One whose skill is not deep will not be able to do this.
[98]
問何謂捲勁。
What is rolling energy?
答拳到敵身。如鎚鑽之前進。是謂捲勁。
Punching to the opponent’s body with your fist spiraling like a drill.
[99]
問何謂入勁。
What is penetrating energy?
答掌貼敵身。氣往下沈。掌一閃動。其勁直入內。五臟震動。必受重傷。是謂入勁。
With your palm sticking to the opponent’s body, your energy sinks downward and your palm makes a sudden movement. The energy penetrates directing into him, jarring his organs and inevitably resulting in serious injury.
[100]
問何謂抖擻勁。
What is shaking energy?
答敵若由背後擊來。無暇轉身。則身一抖擻。彼必跌出。此則非到神妙之地不能也。是謂抖擻勁。
If an opponent attacks from behind and there is no time to turn around, give your body a shake, and he will surely stumble away. If your skill is not at a very high level, you will not be able to do this.
[101]
問勁與着有何分別。
What is the distinction between energy and technique?
答着乃變化之法也。勁卽運入着之中。着有萬而勁則一。無論何着。勁是一箇。惟用時之意不同。故勁亦隨之而變。
Techniques are the methods of change. Energy is what moves inside a technique. A technique can be done in many ways but an energy can only be done in one. Regardless of the technique, there is only one energy to it, but if the intent becomes different when it is applied, then the energy changes along with the change in technique. [In other words, if you switch techniques, you can still use the same energy, but if you switch energies, you also have to switch techniques.]
[102]
問勁與力有何分別。
What is the distinction between energy and effort?
答力是生來本有。勁是功夫練出。生來本有之力。是一種生力。譬如生鐵。未經煆煉。功夫練出之勁。譬如煉鐵而已成鋼。古語云。力不敵功。功卽練出之勁也。然各種拳派。均是煆煉。而煉出之勁則又不同。太極拳是鬆散練出。乃柔帶剛之眞內勁也。凡堅硬練出者。鬆散無意之時。則勁不存在。被人猛擊。不免受傷。而鬆散練出者。鬆散無意之時。勁仍存留。其氣自然充滿全身。無絲毫之間斷。雖被人擊。不致受傷。
Effort is what you are born with. Energy is a trained skill. Effort is a kind of raw strength, like pig-iron in that it has not yet been smelted and refined, whereas the skilled energy that comes through training is like smelted iron that has been made into steel. As an old saying goes, “Strength is not equal to skill.” This skill means the trained energy. While all boxing styles have their refinements, their energies are not trained in the same way. Taiji Boxing trains by loosening, thus generating the authentic internal power of softness leading hardness. For one who trains hard energy, during a moment of inattention the energy goes away, and if he is at that time attacked fiercely by an opponent, he will unavoidably be injured. If you train loose energy, then during a moment of inattention the energy remains, naturally filling your whole body without the slightest gap anywhere, and so even if you are attacked at that moment, it will not result in injury.
cloudz wrote:yea, have seen him spar
his 'taiji jin' was irrelevant
jin just means force
whilst there ARE qualities of force
what the difference is highlighted by so many clips is the way it's demonstrated.
when you get hit.. force is force
I have 'the artist' in me, and a like to refine and all the rest of it.
but I am under no illusions, and honestly, as a friend, I would tell you not to be either.
but I am under no illusions, and honestly, as a friend, I would tell you not to be either
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