by cloudz on Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:01 pm
looking at CTH doing that form.. well that Hong Kong Wu form already has a lot more movement(s) than the newer form modified by Wu Chien-ch'uan. Personally I would liken it to the old Yang middle frame - maybe 2 times more movements isn't beyond the realm when comparing say some Jiang Hou middle frame I've seen to YCF Large frame. Mostly transitional, some movements performed differently - a palm strike being substituted for a downward elbow - to offer one example. After all, all tai chi derived from Yang is based on the same fundamental postures and follow the same framework.
But 3 times more movement than the CTH form within the same framework - it sounds quite excessive to me, but it doesn't really matter; if you say so, so be it. Let's hope you can remember and give enough practice to all the forms and sets you have learnt over the years.. I don't feel at all that you have some complex knowledge I can't grasp or understand, but if you think that, more power to you !
I believe that, actually, if you truly understand and know something you can explain it fairly simply. But ok, if it's condescension you want to hit back with it's fine..Being an Aussie I thought you could handle a little banter, clearly my having some fun with you hurt your feelings a bit. If you want an apology I'm more than willing to give it - sorry if I overstepped the mark in any earlier posts. It just came across as being evasive to what to me was a fairly simple and basic question. You have covered it now, and I don't really care to know any more about it- other than to check if it does or did actually exist.. If there is such a thing I'm sure CTH son would know about it, so I can find out pretty easily. I've always been a curious George regards things tai chi.
I'm not sure what you think I was asking you to explain about it.. Not a breath by breath account of all the moves; just a kind of basic answer of what 'continuous actually designates. It seemed to come down to more moves or another way of moving. If there's more complexity - I'm not after details.. simply what makes it so.. if it wasn't 'more' in some way it wouldn't come after circular in that progression. Again no specifics by way of details were asked for from you.
But it's curious that this progression you cited goes from a simpler way of moving (square), to the circular way of moving.. and then it deviates to more content - and that's called continuous. I think it's good to question what's being said, otherwise for all anyone knows it could be dubious information.
So anyway, now you seem to be suggesting it's not a different way of moving but more movements - that's what I was asking basically. I'm not that interested in more movements. I think if you know how to move, more movements are neither here nor there. I have and have seen more than enough techniques to satisfy me. having done multiple forms now. And I also think I've, been taught well enough and seen more than enough ways people move in tai chi to satisfy any appetite and lifetime of practice. The internet is awash with tai chi moves and tai chi people moving - big woop right ? One more form has no relevance at all, however complex it may be in terms of the quantity of moves.. Is that even a good thing regarding movements. Dong fast form for example has less moves, but more advanced movement, same with Ma Yueh Liang' fast form, same with Yang Shao Hous small frames/ fast forms. That's the trend so it seems. Quantity of moves in a form is something I moved away from years ago when switching from a longer more involved Chen Pan Ling derived form to his orthodox version. Sometimes less really is more.
I get that explaining certain things can be laborious or too much trouble, that's fine. In a conversation it helps if you explain such things off the bat or answer a little clearer rather than beating around the bush (took you a while but you got there), rather than suggesting one thing one minute, then another in the next breath; hence confusing - it comes off a little suspicious. Be straight up from the get go, the carrots you seem to get off dangling aren't half as special as you seem to think they are; not to me anyway. I just like talking and sharing about tai chi, as you can maybe tell, isn't that what this place is for anyway?
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cloudz on Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:28 pm, edited 9 times in total.
Regards
George
London UK