Huangs "worked" wrestling match

[cloudz]

I do find it a bit revealing that there are folks who 'still' believe this is a real match.

It's not. the first 'action' is a supposed expert Chinese wrestler falling down to what amounts to a 'hand wave'
Anyone who has been near real wrestling and grappling competition can look at this and see it for what it is.
A demonstration set up; an exhibition, yes, but with a set agenda. Nice Theatre, just like modern wrestling Entertainment.

What does it mean when a modern day Taiji practitioner looks upon this footage as realistic ?

[C.J.W.]

In 1955, Huang participated in a Guoshu tournament in Taiwan. He won in the push hand division and then went on to challenge the champion of the free-fighting division, a Cha Quan expert called Zhang Yinjiang (張英健). Zhang, who was well-versed in Cha Quan and Shuaijiao, managed to beat Huang in just one round despite being almost 20kg lighter.

[cloudz]

No Doubt. Thanks CJW, that's a cool bit of information.

[cgtomash]

the first 'action' is a supposed expert Chinese wrestler falling down to what amounts to a 'hand wave'

Here is a better copy of the film ... It does look like Huang hooks his right foot behind the left foot of the wrestler before he went down.

[wayne hansen]

As far as I know Huang was the boxing champion of Fukien Provence when he was 22 before he went to Taiwan
I have heard he was in the big broadsword battalion in ww2
He had an altercation with our Grandmaster when he came to Penang

[GrahamB]

I go to watch local pro wrestling events with my son - it's great! I wish more 'martial artists' would get off their high horse and go and watch them - support local wrestlers, those guys put a lot on the line every time for very little pay.

Here's a thought - just because it is choreographed doesn't mean it's not "real" - those people really do things I can't do, like jump off the top rope and do a back flip for one

[origami_itto]

I don't not watch pro wrestling because it's fake. I don't watch it because it just isn't entertaining or interesting to me in any way. I'd rather play a board game with my kids.

[origami_itto]

I do find it a bit revealing that there are folks who 'still' believe this is a real match.

It's not. the first 'action' is a supposed expert Chinese wrestler falling down to what amounts to a 'hand wave'
Anyone who has been near real wrestling and grappling competition can look at this and see it for what it is.
A demonstration set up; an exhibition, yes, but with a set agenda. Nice Theatre, just like modern wrestling Entertainment.

What does it mean when a modern day Taiji practitioner looks upon this footage as realistic ?

What do you think it means?

Also, what kind of Taijiquan do you practice? Who are you learning from?

[wayne hansen]

I don’t worry about what is shown in these clips or any other demos
It’s weather people can use their art
I know people who could fight who tested Huang and plenty of others
Just like my FMA teachers they did the real thing in WW2 acting as gurillars behind Japanese lines
I don’t know why people find the need to keep bringing up these old clips
They are what they are
If you want reality there are plenty of places to test yourself these days
I find it is only people who lack belief in their own ability or those they trained with who keep rehashing this stuff
Most of those who do show little of themselves and what they do show is mostly of low standard
Huang had plenty of hard style fighters for students who I’m sure tested him from time to time
His son inlaw is a prime example

[origami_itto]

I ran the video through a stabilization filter and cut off the stuff at the beginning. Maybe this is easier to watch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XAMEnmECr4

[cloudz]

I go to watch local pro wrestling events with my son - it's great! I wish more 'martial artists' would get off their high horse and go and watch them - support local wrestlers, those guys put a lot on the line every time for very little pay.

Here's a thought - just because it is choreographed doesn't mean it's not "real" - those people really do things I can't do, like jump off the top rope and do a back flip for one

No, I do appreciate that thought. I'm happy to praise it for what it is. Just not what it isn't.
That's all.

I got into a private conversation with someone who was basing their idea of what Tai chi should "look like' in use off of what amounts to a bout of WWF.
How is that credible when it's based off something like what you just described ?

Looking on it as a demo is not a problem for me, but people don't see it as that, they see it as this is how TCC can deal with a genuine wrestler wrestling. Is that not a bad idea ?

The difference here G, is you can tell the difference, when people can't tell the difference it means they have a false idea and false reality of TCC as well as wrestling. So to my mind you can't take anything they say seriously or credibly. Credibility needs to be earned or displayed. Not just demanded because you did *something* for twenty years.

[origami_itto]

I honestly don't get these obsessions.

Study Taijiquan, find out for yourself if it works, keep studying or drop it.

It's not rocket appliances.

I don't doubt that an accomplished Taijiquan master in 1970 would have no trouble making a retired wrestler look foolish.

But even if it was a staged match for charity, what does it matter? Does your taijiquan work? Are you throwing stuff into it to make it work like you think it should? Who cares what Huang Sheng Shyan did, he isn't paying your bills.

[wayne hansen]

He’s paying a lot of peoples bills