wayne hansen wrote:Lests see them make her jump
https://www.facebook.com/reel/176153805 ... e&s=TIeQ9V
The fourth method of the five methods of loosening the body is the application of bending the waist and loosening the tendons. Many people have filmed the video of the loose body and five movements in our sect. Except for the master Huang Xingxian, no one seems to have filmed the video used.
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windwalker wrote:must be the "Mizner" effect
The teacher's IMO mistake
https://www.facebook.com/808398111/vide ... 805171706/
was to keep trying to do something that obviously for what ever reason wasn't working as intended...
still insisting on a result.... looked like his timing was off among other things...
Happens,,,
The mizner demo quite skillful, a common theme that many teachers use
to demo in making a point or illustrating a principle....
Explained in many different ways...
cloudz wrote:windwalker wrote:must be the "Mizner" effect
The teacher's IMO mistake
https://www.facebook.com/808398111/vide ... 805171706/
was to keep trying to do something that obviously for what ever reason wasn't working as intended...
still insisting on a result.... looked like his timing was off among other things...
Happens,,,
The mizner demo quite skillful, a common theme that many teachers use
to demo in making a point or illustrating a principle....
Explained in many different ways...
the clip clearly illustrates how simple and basic these demonstrations really are - in the way they work - and in turn how simply they breakdown.
people approaching tcc these days have to think quite clearly and carefully what skills they truly want to gain.
side show bob or martial arts..
the dilemma is real.
a cheap trick that works on a compliant stiff frame and thinks it's taijiquan. If he had the goods he would be more song than her.
windwalker wrote:a cheap trick that works on a compliant stiff frame and thinks it's taijiquan. If he had the goods he would be more song than her.
A cheap trick....so that's what it is...
"Weilun Wen
She is one of policewoman in my country".
the woman used in the demo according to one of the comments.
If one looks at her body, seems like she was flexing not being very neutral, possibly unintentional...never know
The teacher looked a little flustered,,,trying to demo something he knows he can do as a "demo" highlighting skill sets
working with someone presenting some difficulty in doing so....
Happens in all demos with unknowns,,,
He should have just changed the demo and had her push or attack him depending on what he was trying to show..
As it was he pursued, expecting a familiar outcome
It's not fighting,,,
like watching brick braking demos, when "what ever" doesn't break...those doing the demo continuing to try
knowing it's something they've done in the past and it should break....
This teacher as many do exaggerated his presentation relying on underling actual skill...
Kind of a detractor to the skill...
Used to judge MA tournaments a long while back....form competitions....
many of the competitors often exaggerated the intention of their movements
often detracting from basic skill sets the exhibited.
It's called presentation...
As to the "trick" a common skill set in taiji used by those in some lines of practice
presentation by the practitioners very,,,according to their nature...
Doc Stier wrote:I offer no comment on the content of these various videos. The reason is simple. I like any video which demonstrates effective, realistic fighting skills applied on non-compliant partners, but it's usually virtually impossible to determine whether or not what is shown in these videos actually represents such skill, because that's not what is demonstrated.
As a martial arts practitioner, I am personally not interested in training any method in order to simply bounce an opponent out unharmed. I am instead primarily interested in the ability to neutralize serious attacks and render the attacker physically incapable of continuing to be a threat. Would love to see more videos which demonstrate exactly that.
everything wrote:Doc Stier wrote:I offer no comment on the content of these various videos. The reason is simple. I like any video which demonstrates effective, realistic fighting skills applied on non-compliant partners, but it's usually virtually impossible to determine whether or not what is shown in these videos actually represents such skill, because that's not what is demonstrated.
As a martial arts practitioner, I am personally not interested in training any method in order to simply bounce an opponent out unharmed. I am instead primarily interested in the ability to neutralize serious attacks and render the attacker physically incapable of continuing to be a threat. Would love to see more videos which demonstrate exactly that.
I guess that's the central dilemma of "internal". If nobody is satisified until someone can defeat Jon Jones, we will be waiting quite a long time (I guess OTOH time can obviously defeat Jones). But then, logically, we could say, "I study X so can I defeat Jones with X?" then when I obviously cannot (and nobody else has been able to either, regardless of the "X"), I conclude "X must suck" but that's obviously not necessarily true. So then you have to figure out if "X" is still worth it to you. Presumably, everyone here thinks so, otherwise why post and read all about "X" (with the obvious exception of one person who obviously has some strange agenda against tai chi, lol; everyone else here seems genuinely interested).
wayne hansen wrote:I think the woman is trying to do exactly what is asked
Her natural reaction takes over
If the teacher???? Had any real skill like listening and folding he should get an even better result with her
This is what happens when you train tricks rather than skill
You become good at those tricks but only under the right conditions with the right conditioned assistant
Bao wrote:
If you watch the other, the "classroom" clip, the teacher (Huang) doesn't adjust his angles according to his students body. When he pushes down, whatever he does and however, his student still goes down. So I guess he just tried doing the same thing against the woman that works against his own students. If he has skill, he doesn't show it here.
But I won't say that he has no skill, just that I don't see it in these videos. I saw a couple of clips of Huang from Martial Man's website where he spoke about a couple of principles in Tai Chi and for free push hands, showing that he has some good knowledge. He also seemed generous and humble in those videos.
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