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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby HotSoup on Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:23 pm

That I agree with. Reverting to the previous becomes similar to unlearning how to ride a bicycle or ice skating — once the neurology is wired, one cannot unlearn it.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Kong Bao Long on Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:47 pm

There are a lot better. but he's ok.

I'd recommend he keep his legs together when sinking his Dantian, hips are the root, knees are the middle and the feet are the extension. He loosing connection with his upper body and the ground when bowing his knees, his legs need to stay under his Yao kua. (sit on top of your power) It's hard to tell but is he cocking his coccyx? Xingyiquan more than Bagua and Taiji cock the tailbone/coccyx forward, under the Yao kua, like a coiled spring it. The angle of the footage it's hard for me to tell. Third, that whippy, flappy snappy thing he's doing with his hands, look cool to novices, however it is void of Liang Yi or "two Intents (Xingyiquan's version of silk reeling often often called "Cotton tearing" in my linage I.e Hubei) With Xingyiquan based in real prowess, there is NO shaking (or whatever he's doing) Xingyiquan is all about projecting/penetrating intent. His fajin lacked whole body power... was mostly upper body. I'll note his Deng Jin is pretty good, he didn't display any Tang Jin... but that could be just because he wasn't doing any Shen fa that called for it.

My last critic is probably my biggest pet peeve: I often see "Xingyiquan done making a weak fist or fist shapes that would break the hands if they ever hit anything. My sifu and his brother and now myself due to many years of working on training equipment (various bags and striking posts) countless hours drilling pinky up (as we say...) doing Rise, Drill, Fall Overturn etc.. developed some ugly hands.. To me it's a possible sign (not always) there has not been "real" Gong training when I see weak fists...
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:43 pm

I concur
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:26 pm

In Han Shi Yi Quan we lead with the fingertips, only closing the fist before making contact. The hand is not closed in typical fashion but rather the fingers are rolled, bringing the knuckles forward. There is no distance lost. The hand continues on its forward path as the fingers roll into a fist. But it is a soft fist, as if I were to hold a pencil lead in my fist without breaking it.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby origami_itto on Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:56 am

Taste of Death wrote:In Han Shi Yi Quan we lead with the fingertips, only closing the fist before making contact. The hand is not closed in typical fashion but rather the fingers are rolled, bringing the knuckles forward. There is no distance lost. The hand continues on its forward path as the fingers roll into a fist. But it is a soft fist, as if I were to hold a pencil lead in my fist without breaking it.

Do you find the fingers make a snapping sound as the fist closes?
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby everything on Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:07 am

is that like a "kungfu theater" joke
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby origami_itto on Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:38 am

everything wrote:is that like a "kungfu theater" joke

No that's just what my experience is like. I keep my hand loose and then as the punch happens the fingers curl in. A tight fist slows down my arm so I leave those muscles loose. If I don't hit something then they will make a snapping sound as they slap my palm. Just seeing if it's like that for anybody else.

Of course, YMMV for like a phoenix eye fist, but the principle of looseness remains, IMHO.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Bao on Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:13 am

origami_itto wrote:If I don't hit something then they will make a snapping sound as they slap my palm.


He said you "roll" the fingers, not slap your palm with them. Why should you slap your palm with the fingers? Doesn't that mean you tense up your fist?
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby origami_itto on Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:49 am

Bao wrote:
origami_itto wrote:If I don't hit something then they will make a snapping sound as they slap my palm.


He said you "roll" the fingers, not slap your palm with them. Why should you slap your palm with the fingers? Doesn't that mean you tense up your fist?


The fingers are entirely passive here.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Taste of Death on Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:52 pm

origami_itto wrote:
Taste of Death wrote:In Han Shi Yi Quan we lead with the fingertips, only closing the fist before making contact. The hand is not closed in typical fashion but rather the fingers are rolled, bringing the knuckles forward. There is no distance lost. The hand continues on its forward path as the fingers roll into a fist. But it is a soft fist, as if I were to hold a pencil lead in my fist without breaking it.

Do you find the fingers make a snapping sound as the fist closes?


No snapping sound. It's more like catching a fly. I don't want to hurt the fly. More like catch him and then let him go. In yiquan we focus on ourselves as if the opponent is not there. Where my punches land is irrelevant.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby origami_itto on Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:40 am

Taste of Death wrote:
origami_itto wrote:
Taste of Death wrote:In Han Shi Yi Quan we lead with the fingertips, only closing the fist before making contact. The hand is not closed in typical fashion but rather the fingers are rolled, bringing the knuckles forward. There is no distance lost. The hand continues on its forward path as the fingers roll into a fist. But it is a soft fist, as if I were to hold a pencil lead in my fist without breaking it.

Do you find the fingers make a snapping sound as the fist closes?


No snapping sound. It's more like catching a fly. I don't want to hurt the fly. More like catch him and then let him go. In yiquan we focus on ourselves as if the opponent is not there. Where my punches land is irrelevant.


Interesting. I'm seeing a snap at the end as the limb stops the forward motion goes through the fist into the fingers which are loose so it does that little slap.

Are you saying that there is some intention, awareness, and explicit control in the fingers as you do this?

Where could you direct me to learn more about yiquan?
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Taste of Death on Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:27 pm

origami_itto wrote:Where could you direct me to learn more about yiquan?

Where do you live?
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby Taste of Death on Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:34 pm

Best xing yi I've seen. We're all trying to get to this level.
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby origami_itto on Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:59 pm

Taste of Death wrote:
origami_itto wrote:Where could you direct me to learn more about yiquan?

Where do you live?

Central Florida
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Re: Best Xing Yi I've seen

Postby everything on Thu Aug 31, 2023 8:06 pm

How was the hurricane Idalia weather over there, origami
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