wayne hansen wrote:Yes pressure testing must be correct pressure testing
It is interesting to see people here trot out all the right terminology
Then see them using none of it
You are right Bao it is not about winning and loosing
But winning and loosing are part of the process
windwalker wrote:The video made by a friend of mine, talks about the history of martial arts, and what he feels happened to the Chinese martial arts..
Do you agree?
Appledog wrote:windwalker wrote:The video made by a friend of mine, talks about the history of martial arts, and what he feels happened to the Chinese martial arts..
Do you agree?
I think it is less about agreeing and more about actually doing whatever needs to be done to preserve or promote the arts.
If we could go back 50 years, or 100 years, or more, and "preserve" what was "lost"
testing
-- what would that look like differently than what we see today?
no one knows how it would look like, no examples of live usage from back then, no live usage by those of today claiming
what is shown is representative of what was done back then.
If the history is true,,one would expect the usage of the arts, shown in use in what ever the usage would entail, guarding caravans, personal guards, teaching, combative sportive events, ect.
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outlines 4 levels of usage combative sport being the lowest for the society at that time.
If you can create that thing, then it is not lost. If you don't want to, that is a different thing. But, can it be done? Do you think it is possible? What do you think, really needs to be done?
Yang started teaching to the Royal Family and became well known. He loved to fight and welcomed any opportunity, seeking out many famous fighters and encountered some setbacks (which he faced by improving his ability by returning to the Chen family twice more) gaining a reputation of being unbeatable. (apparently without injury to his oponents or himself).
He became known as Yang Wudi (no enemy, no rival) and was quoted as saying "There are three people I cannot beat. They are made of brass, iron and wood. The rest I can beat." Many point to this as a true indicator that T'ai Chi Chuan works on people, but not objects.
A more reasonable view would seem that he was an extraordinary fighter and just as there was only one Muhammad Ali, the following generations could become very learned and extraordinary fighters, but not to the degree Yang Luchan achieved (who in death became an even more legendary figure). The next major Yang character was Yang Cheng Fu.
Trick wrote:astonishingly there have been two ”Yang Invincible” in the history of Chinese martial stuff, and theres a considerable timelap between them. Shows the tradition cant be lost :)
Doc Stier wrote:Yang Shao-hou was Yang Lu-chan's grandson.
even more evidemce nothing is lost in time - three invincible Yangs - the first of them - Yang Ye - invincible some 1150 years ago. The tradition keep rolling on.origami_itto wrote:Doc Stier wrote:Yang Shao-hou was Yang Lu-chan's grandson.
Corrected that. Pretty sure Ban Hou was also known as "Wu Di"
Trick wrote:astonishingly there have been two ”Yang Invincible” in the history of Chinese martial stuff, and theres a considerable timelap between them. Shows the tradition cant be lost :)
Appledog wrote:If we could go back 50 years, or 100 years, or more, and "preserve" what was "lost" -- what would that look like differently than what we see today?windwalker wrote:testing
no one knows how it would look like, no examples of live usage from back then, no live usage by those of today claiming
what is shown is representative of what was done back then.
windwalker wrote:[color=#0000FF]If the history is true,,one would expect the usage of the arts, shown in use in what ever the usage would entail, guarding caravans, personal guards, teaching, combative sportive events, ect.
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Appledog wrote:If you can create that thing, then it is not lost. If you don't want to, that is a different thing. But, can it be done? Do you think it is possible? What do you think, really needs to be done?windwalker wrote:The video posted expresses what some feel what could or should be done.
Appledog wrote:windwalker wrote:No one here can point to a current practitioner, using the art in a combative setting distinctly recognized as the art, in one of the combative open sporting events of today.
Appledog wrote:windwalker wrote:All attempts at rationalizing usage, done through historical accounts of the old masters, or practitioners,
many of which did compete in the combat sport events of the day.
Appledog wrote:
Also get off your high horse.
The problem is infinitely more plebian that finding the right teacher. proof, look at Pan Qing Fu.
The first thing one would need to do if they wanted to "find" a lost traditional martial art is to stop dreaming about doing it and just do it.
Unfortunately, modern day martial arts have also lost the check and balance of challenge matches.
David Chin
Appledog wrote: "I will not be known for my teachers, I will not live in the shadow of a person's name or the name of an art. I will teach people who seek me out, not as a representative of an art, but as a great person."
what is the greatness you feel that you have
that would make others seek you out ?
Recently back from Taiwan...
IME
If one was practicing something not recognized as what they were doing "taiji"
for the most part, they wouldn't be interested in finding out more about the practice.
They were interested in others who they felt had skill in what they practiced.
the first question most asked was, "who was your teacher, where did you learn"
followed by hands on demos of skill.
People I work with, are interested in certain type of skill...
Do not claim to have skill, only share the practice.
Often telling others to "follow the art not the person"..
"T'ai Chi Chuan works on people, but not objects." -- all of these old stories are just oral instruction that make teaching certain concepts easy.
Not an accounting of an event of someone who was very confident in their level of skill. ?
ok
It's all about becoming like a child. I just say this to point out just how far out of whack we have become in the modern world. We're so far away from where we need to be even to get basic concepts like this that I think it is not traditional arts which have become lost, but all of us.
The first thing one would need to do if they wanted to "find" a lost traditional martial art is to stop dreaming about doing it and just do it.
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