Aikido against non-compliant attacker !!!

[cdobe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzv3e5vTiP4

[Interloper]

That's Tohei, in one of the more famous of his films. I think that was an American newspaper reporter doing the testing.

[qiphlow]

[GrahamB]

Hey guess what, it looks like wrestling.

[shmirsh]

I wonder what that would have looked like if the attacker had been a striker as opposed to a grappler. Friends of mine who do aikido say that it looks like wrestling because the attacker was an amateur wrestler and tohei was mirroring him - but I guess they would say that!

[middleway]

guess tohei didn't have Teh Internal as his opponent wasn't just bouncing off him.

cheers
chris

[Formosa Neijia]

guess tohei didn't have Teh Internal as his opponent wasn't just bouncing off him.

cheers
chris

Agreed completely.

Dave C.

[Ian]

Hey guess what, it looks like wrestling.

no, it looks like push hands.

guess tohei didn't have Teh Internal as his opponent wasn't just bouncing off him.

cheers
chris

LOL

I don't want to take sides, but...

lols were had.

[GrahamB]

I would like to add a LOL to middleways comment too. But at this stage it would just be like jumping on a bandwagon.

[middleway]

why thank you all ... one tries ....


Chris

[Ba-men]

I wonder what that would have looked like if the attacker had been a striker as opposed to a grappler. Friends of mine who do aikido say that it looks like wrestling because the attacker was an amateur wrestler and tohei was mirroring him - but I guess they would say that!

I been privy to have witness some advanced Akidoka demonstrate Atemi Waza Whoa! Very Nice! Very.... dare I say "Han'ish.. They Blend striking and kicking into what they do to force joint locks/submission, throw, evasion etc.. Note I said "force" It's really not all inclusive defensive art... And what i saw ...wasn''t no.//mambie pambie art.

What I saw made me think of BaguaZhange. The difference was I'd never seen Bagua practice this aggressively. A) there is no real Bagua practitioners where I live and B) Any internet footage I have seen of people doing Bagua they are doing it on a hard floor where they are not actively throwing, or striking (I'm sure somewhere Bagua people do it... Watching those Akidoka gave me an idea of what they look like...

[Brady]

If you've never seen aggressive bagua or bagua that involves throwing . . . you haven't seen bagua.
Was Tohei one of the uchideshi?

[middleway]

Brady,

Sure was.... generally considered to be up there with M Saito, G Shioda, K Ueshiba et al. He was one of the main guys under Ueshiba AFAIK.

Cheers
Chris

[CaliG]

My Judo coach used to always say the only different between Aikido and Judo is that in Judo when you throw someone it's for real, this video shows that.

[Interloper]

Side note: Tohei trained in judo as a kid and teenager.
He started studying with Ueshiba at age 19 and got "kicked upstairs," rankwise, pretty quickly and was asked to teach aikido abroad when he was still pretty young. I wonder whether he got much in the way of internals from Ueshiba. He certainly felt Ueshiba's internal power and wanted it himself, but I recall reading that he went off to try and figure it out for himself, particularly after Ueshiba's son Kisshomaru took over the Tokyo home dojo and internal skills from Daito-ryu were no longer taught as part of the aikido curriculum.