push hands and shuai jiao

[bustr]

Can someone enlighten me as to the difference between Taiwanese Push Hands and Shuai Jiao? They look like the same thing to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNAV_AurtKI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LJQWo1xao

[mixjourneyman]

two words: Taiji Shuaijiao... Or is that three words?

[Formosa Neijia]

Most of the PH in the first clip isn't from Taiwan but from mainland China. They are actually much better about incorporating the shuai-fa into their PH than we are here in Taiwan. But if I can help it, we here in Taiwan will be incorporating it very soon.

They look the same to you because you likely aren't doing either competitive PH nor shuaijiao. Am I right?

The addition of the jacket in shuaijiao adds a new element to the grappling. Without it, taiji PH players have to adapt their throws, entries, and reversals and counters. Second, the range of technique allowed in a SJ tourney is broader than found in PH. They are slightly different flavors of grappling.

I wrote more about shuai-fa in PH here:
http://formosaneijia.com/2008/the-littl ... clinching/

Dave C.

[bustr]

Thanks Guys! I have no experience with either.

[Andy_S]

I'd compare it to no-gi and gi grappling in BJJ/modern US grappling tournaments.

In Taiji, there is no gripping of the clothes: you embrace him, or use the natural hook above the elbow (which is why you see a lot of arm dragging). In SC, you have a jacket to grip onto.

Also, in SC I don't think there is/are points for running your man off the mats/leitei....? Hence the "pushing" in a lot of Taiji.

[iwalkthecircle]

Can someone enlighten me as to the difference between Taiwanese Push Hands and Shuai Jiao? They look like the same thing to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNAV_AurtKI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LJQWo1xao

i kinda think good TCC pushHand should look like SC......