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[Bodywork]

For the record, JAB used the word "internal" in his post. So although he hates it, he still feels compelled to follow the rule (as do I)

I hate it myself, but I suspect most only hate the word in the sense that so many talk about it and can't clearly demonstrate anything worth the having.

[Interloper]

(snip) ...the old sumo tori were built like brick shit houses but certainly not fat. They all had big hara which was due to the posture and training they employ. They look like having a Gorilla's posture to my eye in many ways ... n we know how powerful Gorillas are ...cheers
Chris

Chris,
You have just said something profound.
But it's as though it's a 500 lb. gorilla sitting in a roomful of people but totally unseen, "hidden in plain sight."

[JAB]

You are right. Waste of time.
Sad.....