Bagua Xiao Kai Men Circle Pigua baji jibengong

[Bob]

Xiao Kai Men on the circle by Liang Yi---exactly how I learned it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJcWEIfR ... re=related



Pigua jibengong



Bajiquan jibengong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ko5KUah ... re=related



2009 Trip to Taiwan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzHQoUAi ... re=channel



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWRdtT- ... annel_page



Liu's abstraction of Yang's Taijiquan [same form as I learned and one of my favorites]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvU-9ura ... annel_page



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Thanks for posting Liang Yi---solid and the flavor I am familiar with---thanks again!

[I-mon]

that pigua and baji training looks great.

[Formosa Neijia]

The xiaokaimen and pigua were really nice.

Bob, what do the complete pigua and bagua curriculums look like?

Dave C.

[Bob]

Dave:

I used to have a printout from the mainland about the curriculum of pigua as its own system and it is quite extensive.

Under Tony, I can't say for sure about others, we start out with stationary pigua training---some of it is very aerobic and all with a great deal of "hitting the body" or slapping the ground. There are two basic forms--pigua one and pigua two but they closely linked by the single moving postures you see in the clip and the ones on Adam Hsu's pigua one and two tape. There are 8 or more single moving postures along with transitional postures.

There are a number of stationary exercises that are transferrable to the hand training i.e. dog skin training.

The weapons I have seen [learned one but forgot it] are the pigua dao and pigua double dao. There is a pigua dao and spear fight I saw partially taught in the 1980s and I asked if it was a pigua spear form. I never got a clear answer. Oh yeah, there is a least one exercise which I believe is from the system and is clearly a neigong exercise.

At this stage of my understanding, I see a lot of the pigua usage as not only hand conditioning but also body conditioning.

In the 1980s, early, when Tony returned to Taiwan to visit Liu, he gave a form called baji/pigua combination form which has postures from both baji and pigua linked throughout it---there are clips of it somewhere on Youtube. However, when they talk about mixing baji and pigua, I have only seen it "melded" i.e. not separate postures added into a form but hybrid postures characterized by both baji and pigua usage/application in the posture, in the various levels of liu da kai.

That is the extent of my knowledge of the pigua system as employed by Tony Yang. I am sure there are few more "secrets" that I am unaware of. LOL

[Formosa Neijia]

That is the extent of my knowledge of the pigua system as employed by Tony Yang. I am sure there are few more "secrets" that I am unaware of. LOL

There's always more, that's for sure.

Thanks for the description of the style. I keep telling myself that one day i'll get over there to train pigua again.

Dave C.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ko5KUah ... re=related

Thank you for posting.

Like them much.

[edededed]

Too bad that pigua is still a very rare system (on its own)...

Seems that there are at least 5 hand forms (momianquan, qinglongquan, feihuquan, taishuquan, dajiazi) and various sets of single exercises. Momianquan focuses on up-to-down swinging movements (i.e. what you typically see in pigua demonstrations); seems that qinglongquan focuses on the opposite (down-to-up movements). Not sure what the other three are, but the last one is said to be the central form of the style

Various weapon sets are out there as well (with various names - forgot, though)... Looks like very interesting stuff in general.