Baji Neigong Adam Hsu

[Bob]

Somewhat different from the way I know it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXYHBrt ... re=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bguj8gRx ... re=channel

[Bob]

A variation on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xt-W24E ... re=related



I am not sure this is exclusively a baji qi gong as much as this might be a qi gong practiced by Liu Yun Qiao baji players. I sometimes think this is a qi gong that Liu learned from Bagua as there is an reference to facing the sun when doing this qi gong and another reference about Liu's bagua experience in Yan Tai and sun.

[Kurt Robbins]

Adam Hsu has always been honest and has some real gems.

[Bob]

Yes, and sometimes honest to a fault. Definitely a straight shooter and often a rarity among the arts.

[SPJ]

Thank you for posting.

Here is an interesting article on discussion and comparison of Ba Ji xiao jia and Yi Jin Jing (neigong aspect)

http://www.easylifezen.com/bbs/viewthre ... a=page%3D1

some highlites

1. practice of xiao jia as breathing exercise/qi gong. some postures are similar to postures in Yi Jin Jing or Ba Duan Jin

2. there are also practice of hard hitting with sand bag etc

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we have to practice the frames, neigong/qi gong and hard hitting etc to make Ba Ji work

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My point is that
If people are interested in Ba Ji neigong, we have to go back to the theory and practice of Yi Jin Jing and 8 brocade.

[SPJ]

如八段錦的第一式兩手托天理三焦就是八極小架中的霸王舉頂；第二式左右開弓似射雕就是八極小架中的拉弓式；第三式調理脾胃單舉手就是八極小架中的按陰掌；第四式五勞七傷往後瞧就是八極小架所有馬步動作中的眼睛隨視法；第五式、第六式是小架熱身動作中的重要式子；第七式鑽拳怒目增氣力就是八極小架中的撐捶式；第八式背後七顛百病消就是八極小架按陰掌和雙揣襠中提腳跟雙震的動作。

comparison of postures from 8 brocade and small frames

1. double hand to regulate 3 burners (Ba Duan Jin)
Great King lifting up Ding (Ba Ji Xiao Jia)

2. opening the bow to shoot great eagle (BDJ)
pulling the bow stance (BJXJ)

3. single lifting hand to regulate spleen/stomach (BDJ)
Pressing Yin palm (BJXJ)

4. 5 tireness 7 injuries looking backward (BDJ)
all postures with eyes following hand moves with horse stances (BJXJ)

5 and 6 postures (BDJ) similar to some warming up moves in BJXJ.

7. drilling fist (BDJ) the same with extending fist or cheng chui in BJXJ.

8. back movement (BDJ) the same with

Pressing Yin palm and double groin hitting fists with lifting up heels and stomping (BJXJ)

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[SPJ]

從易筋經與八極小架的功理功法可以看出，二者之間存在著的四個共同點：
　　1、二者均起源於遠古道家或道教。
　　2、二者均以養氣、練氣為法，用周天、數息之法練意練神，屬內功範疇。
　　3、二者均依仗沙袋、木樁、球、板、石等練外硬功，以壯筋骨皮肉，屬外功範疇。
　　4、二者行功均動靜分明並以靜為主，動作剛柔相濟、講究內外兼修，集養生與技擊於一體。
　　再看二者的動作姿勢，通過對照，可以說是非常相似，只是幅度略有不同而已。首先起式就完全相同，都是雙手上挑與肩平齊，易筋經稱“拱手式”，八極小架稱“作揖式”或“請手式”，實際上就是現在所指的“抱拳禮”。然後都過渡為“頂肘式”。易筋經第二式在小架中稱為“二郎擔山”或“亮翅”，第三式在小架中稱為“霸王舉鼎”；第四式在小架中稱為“打虎式”；第五式在小架中是“轉身抱拿”和“小纏”的過渡式；第六式在小架中是“頂肘”與“雙閉襠”的過渡式；第七式是小架中“懷抱嬰兒”的變異；第八式在小架中稱為“雙撣手”；第九式在小架中稱為“疊手掌”；第十式、第十一式、第十二式是小架熱身動作中的三個重要式子(敬請八極同道仔細捉摸驗證)。

similarity or common points between Ba Ji and Yi Jin Jing

1. both are originated from ancient Daoist's principles and practice.
2. both stresses practices of nurturing Qi from practices of circulating small and big heaven circuits and several breaths per move etc to nurture Qi and shen. this is nei gong area.
3. both use sand bags, wooden poles, balls, plates, and rocks to practice hard hitting to strengthen tendon, bone, skin and muscles, this is wai gong area.
4. both stresses the practice of both things in stillness and in movements, both stresses development of both nei and wai practices, nurturing health and technical fighting.

they are also similar in movements/postures.

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[SPJ]

bio of authors of the article.

Li Hui Ning and Li Hui Yong.

1. Hang Hua Cheng-> Zhao Rong Lin ->Su Ya Jun-> Li, they learned Tan Tui and Ba Ji in 1989. They practiced tan tui several roads to strengthen legs before practicing Ba Ji.
2. Wang Zhong Chuan (kung fu brother of Li Shu Wen)-> -> Fu Guan Chi-> Li, they learned how the postures are assembled and the applications of Ba Ji xiao jia in 1991.
3. Sha Guo Zhen-> Li Yun Xiang -> Li, they learned lower frame Yang Tai Ji.
4. Huo Dian Ge->Huo qing yun-> Huo wen xue-> Li, they learned huo style ba Ji in 2000. they learned Huo's theory and practice of Yi Jing Jing and Ba Ji.

[Bob]

Thanks a million, SPJ.

I remember being so mesmerized by internal, in the 1980s and asking Tony Yang, over and over again, is baji internal, is it internal! His response was always don't worry just go and practice the basics [bajiquan/pigua zhang]. It was only much, much later that he pointed out, by example, how the bajiquan and pigua zhang that Liu taught embodied both internal and external training methods.

However, my 6th sense still tells me that Liu felt bagua was also essential to the training---not implying that he mixed baji and bagua but rather incorporated many aspects of the bagua training as part of the overall training required to reach higher levels of baji. Again, I am restating, that this is a personal view, not that of Tony Yang or any other Wu Tan teacher or brother [sister, too!].