Original Ancient Bajiquan Form

[Bob]

armyboy24 (1 year ago)

How is this ba ji quan different from Liu Yun Qiao's Ba Ji Quan? Anyone knows?
momfalos (1 year ago)

Momfalos Legend tells that BaJiQuan originated either in Yueshan Temple (Henan) or from Taoist monk Lai in Hebei. This video is as close to the original Yueshan style as you will find as it is taught by the family Ma who have direct blood lineage to the Yueshan Temple creator.

I believe Liu Yun Qiao's style is from Hebei (North of Henan) as it incorporates PiGuaZhang & BaGuaZhang. Originally PiGua and BaJi were taught as one and LiShuWen recombined them in the 1900s after centuries of separation.

eagleclaw1080 Reply HAHA.... what a new history about Ma.... and since when that Ma's tongbei baji turn to NEW WUSHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgkjaNrS ... re=related




BaJiQuan in Yueshan Ba Ji & Wushu School, Bo Ai County,Henan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdIT1O_E ... re=related

[SPJ]

this is a very good thread that raised several very important questions.

1. origins of baji boxing methods.

2. what is yue shan baji?

3. is yue shan baji different from wu tan?

4. what is the original baji form?

[SPJ]

1. origins

this is an actively debated and researched area.

1. baji is the same as ba zi or rake fist as described in ming's general qi ji guang's "new record of martial effects" ji xiao xin shu.

2. wandering daoist monk "lai" taught Wu Zhong.

3. from yue shan temple at henan province. shaolin monk zhang yue shan taught Wu Zhong.

4. from song shan shaolin temple. it is a courtyard guarding fist/boxing method.

baji fist is also called kai men ba ji or yue shan ba ji. kai men meanining opening the opponent's door. yue shan means the original teacher is zhang yue shan.

Ma Feng Tu had many recorded writing about ba ji from yue shan.

Ma Ming Da did some researches.

but origin of ba ji is still open for debates.

[SPJ]

2. what is yue shan ba ji?

yue shan ba ji is just a different name to call ba ji fist. relating to the "fact" that it is from yue shan temple.

it is no different from any "other" ba ji.

[SPJ]

3. is yue shan different from wu tan?

no.

here are some synopses of ba ji fighting methods.

http://www.360doc.com/content/090304/20 ... 2233.html1.

1. wu zhong:
3 fist forms : xiao jia, dan/shuang da, si lang kuan; 3 spear forms; 2 dao forms and 1 staff form.

2. wu rong (2nd gen):
added hua quan, tai zu, tai zhong, fei hu--(long fist formes) and incorporated ba ji theories into them.

3. wu hui qing (5th gen):
added black tiger fist, 6 harmony dao---

4. wu xiu feng (6th gen):
added 4 lian shou quan-- green dragon sword etc.

5. wu lian zhi (7th gen):
included modern physics and medicine into theory and practice of ba ji boxing methods.

[SPJ]

3. is yue shan different from wu tan? continued.

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wu rong (daughter of wu zhong) moved to meng cun, cang zhou. meng cun became the area that propagated ba ji boxing methods.

2 branches emerged.

a. meng cun: wu family -> wu nan, wu shi ke. they influenced ma feng tu.

b. luo tuan: wang si learned at meng cun. he moved to luo tuan and taught zhang ke ming. zhang ke ming passed to zhang jin xin, huang si hai etc.

wang si-> zhang ke ming -> zhang jin xin -> li shun wen, ma yin tu, han hua cheng, zhang yu heng (son of zhang jin xin)

li shu wen ->liu yun qiao -> adam hsu (wu tan)

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4. what is the original ba ji form?

baji xiao jia.

there are 16 postures originally.

in the beginning of 20th century, more postures were added to become 24 postures. wu xiu feng even added 12 routines of xiao jia.

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[SPJ]

ba ji old frame or lao jia.

there are xiao jia old frame and da ba ji lao jia etc.

this is a link to ba ji lao jia (one of many described):

http://www.19999.cn/gong/2008/0121/article_2898.html

a link with 6 pages.

http://www.wulinzhi.com/chinese-traditi ... -quan/2190

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV57NW-JkPE

old frame of xiao jia as existed in the begining of the 20th century.

there is also the old frame of da ba ji.

[Overlord]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen Ding style of Baji?

Over

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CNRWzreLM0

first road of small frame compiled by wu xiu feng and performed by wu lian zhi.

there are more postures added to the original 16 postures of small frame.