八卦拳之震宮拳 Jenngongquan of Baquaquan

[Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfHkaaHg ... re=channel



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoift4Qq ... re=related

[shawnsegler]

Bob...do you guys have versions of these palace forms? I know your bagua leg is our Heart Palm form, but I wasn't sure if you had corrolaries for the others as well?

Best,

S

[Bob]

Shawn, I can correlate what we call bagua combination fist, bagua combination hand, bagua leg, bagua tighthand, xiao kai men, probably the 8 mother palms but I am not sure about the 64 internal palm form. I also find there are various levels in the bagua linear forms I have been exposed to but this doesn't seem to hold throughout Wu Tan material, I think. I often wonder if this was simply the way that GM Liu taught my teacher, Tony Yang.

Not sure about the first clip above but the second is, I think, bagua combination hand--different schools within Wu Tan have different names for the forms but I suspect that was a translation problem arising in the 1970s and 1980s---times were quite different then with regard to Chinese culture and language.

[stma]

The Chinese text in the first one says Li Gong Quan, not Zhen Gong Quan.

[Bob]

Shawn, does this look familiar?--I can correlate this with our form but nothing is one to one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiT9lUk ... re=related

Fu Style Leopard Quan(豹拳), A form was taught from Fu Zhensong. It is similar to the Tiger Quan

[shawnsegler]

That's our Paochui form.

[D_Glenn]

That's our Paochui form.

On the comments it says Fu Zhensong may have learned it from Ma Gui.

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[count]

Bob...do you guys have versions of these palace forms? I know your bagua leg is our Heart Palm form, but I wasn't sure if you had corrolaries for the others as well?

Best,

S

done slow for teaching purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woED7nQjX2Y



Seems like more like your version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrRFn731Fsw

[shawnsegler]

Yeah, that looks like one of Hejinghans students.

You can tell how good he is by how he changes outfits in the middle of the form.

[Buddy]

So the Fu family Shaolin stuff is actually Yin Fu? I learned those years ago, What about the Huquan?

[lindun]

I have to say. I really don't like this style of bagua.

[Dale Dugas]

thats looks very lohan shaolin to me.

[shawnsegler]

Lindun: Sounds like a personal problem.

Dale: Lohan Shaolin is the original frame that bagua was built on according to our lineage. When the forms are done linear they look like shaolin...when they are practiced on the circle the look very bagua.

Most bagua schools IME have an initial linear component which is learned first and then the twisting and spiralling is added. That's why you have a lot of Cheng stlyle bagua that links up with Hsing i.

[Bob]

Bagua Forest Palm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwQ0-JMXePc



In my Tight Hand/Hard Hand/Palm [Ying Shou] form I take 4 of the lines from our 64 internal palm form [variation on the mother palms only with movement rather than static] and combine them with the linear form--I also have done this with our bagua leg form--it can also be done with bagua combination hand and bagua combination fist---looks very similiar in theory and execution to what you see in the bagua forest palm [Adam Hsu has a tape on this form] although I have not learned the bagua forest palm, I understand it---my personal theory is that these quasi-linear forms can be used through the bagua posts--I have only seen a small bit of this demonstrated.

At some point bagua "forms" become free forms built upon these postures and forms--according to what I have learned.

Here is the 64 internal palm form that we [here at Tony Yang's school] use to build circularity into the "lohan" linear forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nABvS5e3O2E&NR=1

[shawnsegler]

t some point bagua "forms" become free forms built upon these postures and forms--according to what I have learned.

Exactly. Having understanding of formless movement requires that you have form as the foundation. You initially learn linear stuff, until your body and nervous system lock on to static straight lines and then you bend and twist the lines.

S