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Pa-Kua

Postby GrahamB on Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:40 am

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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby ilove_thistuff on Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:08 am

amen....now that i know the true pa kua i can drop all that circle walking i was doing....wow thanks for the great find;) finally the truth!
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby GrahamB on Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:11 am

My favourite bit is the jump through the legs at 0.14. Awesome.
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Bob on Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:55 am

There is a system of Chinese martial arts labeled "Shaolin Pa Kua" which is not related to the "internal bagua" we commonly see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GRIZ7SbdQ8



The full name of this set is "The Shaolin Traveling Dragon Bagua Palm Form". It is a traditional Shaolin Kung Fu set, and is unrelated to the martial art called Bagua Zhang (Pakua Chang). There are, nevertheless, similarities, like the emphasis on palm strikes, and the use of flowing, powerful movements that resemble a Dragon.

This Shaolin Bagua Form is relatively unknown. This is logical because it is was a secret set. When the southern Shaolin Temple was burned in the 19th century, a monk named Jiang Nan escaped and fled south towards Thailand and Malaysia. Jiang Nan taught this set to Yang Fatt Khun, who taught it to Ho Fatt Nam, who taught it to Wong Kiew Kit, who taught it to me (Anthony Korahais).

The combat applications of this set are fantastic. My teacher treasures this set because it opened for him the wonders of Shaolin Combat application.
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Josealb on Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:31 am

For a second there i thought of Xinyiba's history, where a Xingyi guy passed thru shaolin and left an impression.

Thanks for clarifying, Bob. Sounds very interesting.
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Bob on Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:12 am

Josealb:

You know those guys in the first clip may very well think they are playing "internal bagua", I 've a few clips present the shaolin material as bagua but my guess is they are doing or their school is associated with the shaolin Pa Kua. I also recall that Choy Li Fut had a pa kua form or two not related to the "internal bagua".
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby edededed on Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:28 am

Hmm - seems a bit suspicious (how old is baguazhang again?) having the bagua + palm association together ("bagua" itself is not a very Buddhist idea, either), but who knows? Bagua just by itself is included in lots of CMA form names - Hung Gar's wulangbaguagun (5th son bagua staff) is a famous one; bagua saber of Jingwu is another.
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Doc Stier on Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:25 am

Bob wrote:There is a system of Chinese martial arts labeled "Shaolin Pa Kua" which is not related to the "internal bagua" we commonly see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GRIZ7SbdQ8



The full name of this set is "The Shaolin Traveling Dragon Bagua Palm Form". It is a traditional Shaolin Kung Fu set, and is unrelated to the martial art called Bagua Zhang (Pakua Chang). There are, nevertheless, similarities, like the emphasis on palm strikes, and the use of flowing, powerful movements that resemble a Dragon.

This Shaolin Bagua Form is relatively unknown. This is logical because it is was a secret set. When the southern Shaolin Temple was burned in the 19th century, a monk named Jiang Nan escaped and fled south towards Thailand and Malaysia. Jiang Nan taught this set to Yang Fatt Khun, who taught it to Ho Fatt Nam, who taught it to Wong Kiew Kit, who taught it to me (Anthony Korahais).

The combat applications of this set are fantastic. My teacher treasures this set because it opened for him the wonders of Shaolin Combat application.

For further revelations on the subject, check out the Shaolin Wahnam Institute Virtual Kwoon and Forum at the link below, and then decide for yourself. ;)

http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/index.php
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Chanchu on Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:30 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeAnooPMUh8

CLF ba gwa combat form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_r3ceD ... re=related

CLF Ba Gwa chi kung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sGbp74J8w

CLF 'Ba Gwa' kicking

Some 'ba gwa' named forms from CLF, they have quite a few that use the name- may just refer to 8 directions? dunno...
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Felipe Bidó on Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:39 am

Those Pa-Kua guys with the hakamas...remember that his teacher's certificate has chinese words taken from a dictionary, and actually mean nothing...
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby WongYing on Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:03 am

It doesn't take much reading to figure things out having visited the illustrious Mr Wong's web site ;D
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Re: Pa-Kua

Postby Jingang on Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:11 am

When the southern Shaolin Temple was burned in the 19th century

Actually, most researches claim that southern shaolin never existed! it's a fiction. One of them is Prof.Meir shahar http://www.tau.ac.il/~mshahar/publications.html
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