Re: Translation appreciated!
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:27 am
Hi Guys
I've been busy.
Daito ryu and ICMA I've gotten several PM's about the comparisons between the two. with a couple of guys stating their Taiji teachers think DR is good Taiji. I can say that when I met LCD (a peer of the fellow in the vid here) for a lengthy one-on-one he instantly had his hands all over me; back, groin, legs, head; feeling what I was doing when someone else pushed or pulled on me, then he stepped in and tried tossing me, locking me, shouldering, and elbowing me (to no avail), and then told me of his involvement teaching some of Sagawa's men in Japan. We hit it off quite well. It was strange to be talking with a Chinese guy through a translater and hearing the terms aiki-age and aiki-sage and the energy explained and described in Chinese. He was not the only Taiji guy to have his hands on me and tell me I was doing chansi-jin. As far as coiling goes, his opinions seemed to echo some of the PM's I get here.
Would I say that DR and Taiji are the same, no. Would I say they are similar, yes. To be clear I have not seen (nor do I know of) anyone in DR take the body skill to the area of work I have. For the most part they are forever stuck in their one-step kata routines and don't take the art to the next level; moving active resistence, then freestyle, then utilizing a full fighting paradigm; kicks, punches, throws, groundwork etc. The energies and means to train them are there, it's just that the art is forever "stuck in time," and self-limiting in the hands of teachers who don't dare to step beyond. The Japanese are known for their stiff, and rigid training models and few see past it- and if you do there is NO VENUE to express it-they don't like it. Both Arkuzawa and I (similar paths in DR and Koryu) brought the use of energy and change past the one-step Japanese model into much broader work. I don't move or do the exact same things as Ark-It was just worh mentioning as he faced similar narrow minded restrictions with the Japanese in similar arts.
I can't support the DR training model and the self limiting expression of it. In and of itself they will forever remain, less-than, or limited in their own potential with the energies expressed in their own freakin art. Their spiraling is too small, does not involve the level of tissue involment it could, some who do it cut it off and limit is with their sue of their own hips. They missed it, but have some power and the uneducated (with rank) call it good when it is not, some who skip over breath work, others who have some decent power, yet fail past ther first step (their bodies do not really know how to maintain the connections in fluid motion- It's a shame really.
Dan
I've been busy.
Daito ryu and ICMA I've gotten several PM's about the comparisons between the two. with a couple of guys stating their Taiji teachers think DR is good Taiji. I can say that when I met LCD (a peer of the fellow in the vid here) for a lengthy one-on-one he instantly had his hands all over me; back, groin, legs, head; feeling what I was doing when someone else pushed or pulled on me, then he stepped in and tried tossing me, locking me, shouldering, and elbowing me (to no avail), and then told me of his involvement teaching some of Sagawa's men in Japan. We hit it off quite well. It was strange to be talking with a Chinese guy through a translater and hearing the terms aiki-age and aiki-sage and the energy explained and described in Chinese. He was not the only Taiji guy to have his hands on me and tell me I was doing chansi-jin. As far as coiling goes, his opinions seemed to echo some of the PM's I get here.
Would I say that DR and Taiji are the same, no. Would I say they are similar, yes. To be clear I have not seen (nor do I know of) anyone in DR take the body skill to the area of work I have. For the most part they are forever stuck in their one-step kata routines and don't take the art to the next level; moving active resistence, then freestyle, then utilizing a full fighting paradigm; kicks, punches, throws, groundwork etc. The energies and means to train them are there, it's just that the art is forever "stuck in time," and self-limiting in the hands of teachers who don't dare to step beyond. The Japanese are known for their stiff, and rigid training models and few see past it- and if you do there is NO VENUE to express it-they don't like it. Both Arkuzawa and I (similar paths in DR and Koryu) brought the use of energy and change past the one-step Japanese model into much broader work. I don't move or do the exact same things as Ark-It was just worh mentioning as he faced similar narrow minded restrictions with the Japanese in similar arts.
I can't support the DR training model and the self limiting expression of it. In and of itself they will forever remain, less-than, or limited in their own potential with the energies expressed in their own freakin art. Their spiraling is too small, does not involve the level of tissue involment it could, some who do it cut it off and limit is with their sue of their own hips. They missed it, but have some power and the uneducated (with rank) call it good when it is not, some who skip over breath work, others who have some decent power, yet fail past ther first step (their bodies do not really know how to maintain the connections in fluid motion- It's a shame really.
Dan