the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

meh.. I didn't like it. To be honest, I've never been a fan of big circular parries that involve sticking and redirecting the arm like that. #1 it's too slow... and even done at actual speed, if he feints or the timing is off even half a beat you're going to eat a fist.

It's like this one cimande video I saw where the uke leaves his arm out while the defender redirects it in a circle, grabs it with the other hand, punches the fist with his fist and then does a wristlock. I remember thinking, if I tried that against a determined attack I'd get steamrolled. I prefer the applications that take the line and go right in.

Maybe if he showed the hits it would be more convincing, but as it is I'm not too impressed.

I understand your point, but he looked like he was doing a very small circle when he parried, rather than a big one, so I think he could use it effectively against some opponents (not necessarily all).

The attackers fully extended punch is over a foot from the target.
What is the point?

... no need to be so complicated... make yourself very busy...

Well sometimes people will throw jabs even if they're not quite in range, just to keep a person away or whatever.
Or it could just be an exercise.

i like his pimp style

Indeed.

I think Mr. Fox has enough skills to make his method work. How many of us have been training continuously since we were lil tykes? I know someone who is training with him. It would be interesting to see how this method transfers to a non-Warren Fox.

Has been discussed before . . .

. . . they develop a very bad sense of distance.

Despite the obvious distance problem.

I don't like trying to come over top of a jab and direct it downward. Also a jab is a non-committed punch which is very difficult to stick to and follow.

I-mon wrote:i like his pimp style

+1

From the same family. The 0:40 of the clip is ka zhang. No BS stuff. Yep, bit like Beng isn't it.

phi

Circles in Bagua don't always have to be visibly expressed. The circling --or coiling-- can happen internally and manifest itself externally as a seemingly lilnear strike. Against uncommitted jabs, I'd much prefer Yin style's piercing palm.

kaizhang like bengquan? I don't think so.