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Re: A sincere hope

Postby roger hao on Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:46 am

Reminds me of friends that moved into the inner city and bragged
about not having a car or needing one.
When I would visit them - in my car - they would always ask if I could drive them
to the grocery store.
Greta should just book air travel together with her support team.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby windwalker on Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:33 am

The climate arguments are interesting from both sides.
The climate has changed, will change, and is changing as shown by past history.

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No doubt many things can influence the rate of change, reading the many studies presented
whats attributed to this for me is not really clear yet..

Check out the coast line of SF where it was and where it is today....
People talk about rising sea levels,,,they have risen....kind of amazing by how much. :-\
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Trick on Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:08 am

roger hao wrote:Reminds me of friends that moved into the inner city and bragged
about not having a car or needing one.
When I would visit them - in my car - they would always ask if I could drive them
to the grocery store.
Greta should just book air travel together with her support team.

Yesterday I found about her sailing the Atlantic actually had a lot of flight time around it.
The crew she sailed with was anyway sailing the boat to the US, the boat was to participate in an sailing event there. But while the boat with the kid was sailing the sailing event crew flew to the US. And after the ship had arrived the original crew took the flight back to Europa.
The father of the kid was also along in the boat and so was a camera man documenting. Unclear if the dad and camera man has gone back to Sweden, if they have they too probably traveled by plane......And also, I guess most of the participants to that meeting in Spain will take he flight there, no harms done if the kid also go airplaneing. Will Trump attend? I’m sure he would let her go along with him.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Peacedog on Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:53 am

Yeah, "climate variability" is much more of a thing than most people realize. It is the main reason why I simply cannot take the current round of doomsday climate hysterics seriously. These people are one step removed from the Cathars. They are just, another, round of end times fanatics. When you look at it from the context of human history and the existence of similar groups, they are really just kind of pathetic.

That said, if you want to get a very interesting perspective on climate read Star.Ships by Gordan White. He is a chaos magician out of the UK. The book is exquisitely researched and pretty much destroys the idea that humans are having any meaningful impact upon climate. The reality is that the climate is incredibly unstable all on its own for any number of reasons.

It draws some very interesting conclusions regarding the nature of human civilization and for those of us in the meditative game explains a lot of the things we see/experience in that context as well.

The short answer is that human history is far older than most people realize and that most of the evidence of this is buried under several hundred feet of water.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 am

That said, if you want to get a very interesting perspective on climate read Star.Ships by Gordan White. He is a chaos magician out of the UK.


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Re: A sincere hope

Postby BruceP on Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:56 am

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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Peacedog on Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:49 pm

Bruce there’s that. Cosmic radiation. The odd comet impact. Volcanic activity. The Mt Saint Helens eruption released more carbon into the atmosphere than the entire industrial revolution combined.

And we still don’t know why the earth suddenly developed ice caps about 34 million years ago. The fact that we are in an interglacial period where the polar caps are supposed to rapidly contract and expand is also lost on these clowns.

I strongly suspect a lot of the hysteria comes from the fact that the people involved largely have no religion. And since people seem to be hard wired into needing to believe in something, they latch onto climate as their defacto religion.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:35 pm

It seems really strange that the word hysterical keeps getting throw around here when talking about climate activists. Especially since you naysayers are often projecting this quality into a particular young person who seems embody the exact opposite of hysterical. Whether you agree with her or not (still haven't heard much on specifics aside what I will demolish below), the speaks in an uncannily calm manner and strikes me as the paragon of poise. Sure, there is some hysteria that manifests in marches and protests, but I think that is the case with most if not all such activities which purposefully happen in socially liminal spaces that seek to push the boundaries of civility and comfort.

The Mt Saint Helens eruption released more carbon into the atmosphere than the entire industrial revolution combined.


I'm unclear if this is a poor attempt at rhetorical sleight of hand or a simple lack of understanding of the basics. Clearly, the intent is to show that even a medium sized eruption has much more of an effect on carbon emission than human activity. Of course, every three days of auto emissions in the US alone is equal to Mount St. Helen's eruption. So, yeah, nice try bucko.

And we still don’t know why the earth suddenly developed ice caps about 34 million years ago. The fact that we are in an interglacial period where the polar caps are supposed to rapidly contract and expand is also lost on these clowns.


Huh? It's widely covered in the literature. ??? The bucking of expected trends is the primary driver of the emergent interdisciplanary field of the Anthropocene.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby BruceP on Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:27 pm

Peacedog wrote:I strongly suspect a lot of the hysteria comes from the fact that the people involved largely have no religion


Heh...That may well be the case for lots of folks. I know fundamentalism, and the subsequent obstacles that that mentality places on certain paths to reasoning plays a role in how arguments are formed. I hadn't considered fundamentalism as a pervasive aspect of psyche in the absence of religion, though.

I'm an apolitical agnostic with almost no ideological leanings. Neutrality Principle...

A few people here have made some hilarious assumptions and projections as to 'where I'm coming from' based solely on the counterpoints and refutations which I've dropped into various discussions.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Peacedog on Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:16 pm

Humans are seemingly wired for belief based off of my experience. It is not that people will believe in nothing when they drop their religion. The problem is that they will believe in anything.

For example, esoterically if we shock someone with void/Akashic power to break them out of a negative pattern of behavior, we have to back fill them with non-dual light (i.e. God power) or they will latch onto the next energetic form they run into. I've seen a failure to do this result in some amazingly bizarre behavior afterwards. I think it explains some of the more radical changes in behavior following the administration of hallucinogens. Psychonauts I've met describe some forces that appear very much like void/Akashic energy. Hence the importance of having a very good guide when you engage one of those trips.

Extremists frequently flip to opposite sides. Check out "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. He was talking about brown shirts in the 1930's, but the psychological type applies equally well today. The close relationship between Antifa and the environmental movement is a good example of extremists moving around. Fifty years ago they all would have been communists and "world workers" types. Before that Nazis and socialists. Before that eugenicists and prohibitionists.

The whole "the world will end in 12 years"/revolution now/lie for the greater good/citizen of the world/live in society but not a part of society/etc. is just another manifestation of the end of the world/millennial/death cult phenomena that keeps popping up in Western civilization over and over again. These are all just broken people. You cannot expect anything constructive to come out of them. All you can do is contain their idiocy.

From personal experience, you cannot fix them either. Even if you, somehow, manage to dig them out of whatever pit of insanity they have fallen into this time, they'll just end up in another one somewhere else. Ultimately, they have weak minds and are highly susceptible to suggestion. Rich well run societies put these loons in well padded rooms. Poor institutionally weak societies end up shooting them in the streets when they get violent.

I have a fairly jaded personal view of the whole situation as dealing with this crowd was a significant part of my old job. Any group that values ideas over engineering is highly susceptible to this kind of manipulation in my experience. Hence the arts and soft sciences being filled with these people.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Trick on Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:12 am

grzegorz wrote:
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I am actually glad you guys are here


Ancient Aliens is a good show, I like it.

And coincidentally interesting with your post is that Greta’s descendant the pioneering carbon emission climate change scientist Svante Arrhenius was also kind of pioneering the Ancient Aliens theory in his work ‘Worlds in the Making’ where his theory is that from outerspace otherworldly bacterias might have seeded our earth.

But another Alien theory that Svante might not have had on his mind is a theory that space aliens(the big headed grey ones) visiting us are actually us or as what we have evolved into in a very distant future are time traveling back to us here and now with the intention to change the (climatically)disasterous future that we are supposed to be creating.
They through their ancient human ancestor(humans of today)contactees/spokespersons are putting forward their message to the rest of us.
But this has been going on since ancient times now and that tactic seemingly doesn’t work.
It should be time now the ‘Aliens’ themselves enter the UN speaker podium, the (current climate)show may be less weird so....8-)


(For those of you that don’t know, the guy in the pic is one of the hosts of the Ancient Aliens Show, a great show that also Greg know about 8-) )
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Trick on Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:27 am

Haha, just got another reminder of the celebrity establishments hypocrisy, the ‘Do they know it’s Christmas time’ Song just played here in the coffee bar...They where saving the world 35 years ago....they fooled the naive ones.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Peacedog on Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:18 pm

I sense someone's 15 minutes are just about up...

https://genesiustimes.com/schwarzenegge ... -humanity/
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Trick on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:37 pm

Conan looks a little thin. Low protein and low carb diet it might be?....lesser emissions, a true environmentalist these days...And of course bicycling too, a modern day Conan hero, but best he change to one of those horses King Arthur rides on in the Python ‘Holy Grail’ movie....Then there still might be a glimpse of hope ....
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Peacedog on Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:23 am

The Battle of Canning Town has been one of my most favorite "environmental" moments in recent years...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/0 ... s-so-nuts/
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