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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:41 amby Ian C. Kuzushi
windwalker wrote:Once the data for June are added to the chart, we will be able to assess whether the loosening of restrictions results in a second peak.
No mention of recent riots, are they accounted for in the "loosening of restrictions" ?
So … why haven’t the cities that saw the largest protests seen comparable upticks in COVID cases?
Spikeless Cities
The story is the same across a slew of cities that played host to an outpouring of fury and disgust after Floyd’s killing and, more generally, the impunity police have enjoyed after killing Black Americans for decades.
In Minneapolis, the cradle of the current movement, there have been testing sites stood up specifically for those who attended the protests.
Four sites run in partnership with the Mayo Clinic reported late last week that only 62 positive cases came out of 4,487 people tested, for a positivity rate of 1.4 percent, said Dave Verhasselt, a spokesperson for the Minnesota Department of Health. And on Tuesday, another Minnesota system called Health Partners reported a .99 percent positivity rate from the 8,500 it protesters tested.
Those figures are actually below the current statewide positivity rate which, per Verhasselt, is currently hovering around 3.6 to 3.7 percent. Hospitalizations have also continued their steady decline in the state.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/covi ... ing-spreadThey wore masks and were outside.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:18 pmby Steve James
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:43 pmby LaoDan
I looked at the more recent raw (not graphed) weekly data from the CDC NCHS for the dates ending 6/6, 6/13 and 6/20, and the numbers actually look quite good (still decreasing numbers of deaths for COVID-19, flu, pneumonia) [note that deaths from all causes have also declined well below what would be expected, but I did not look into the reasons for that decline]. It is too early to celebrate since deaths lag behind infections and hospitalizations, but I am now more optimistic that I have been. Also, individual locations may not reflect the national trends.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:28 pmby Ian C. Kuzushi
LaoDan wrote:I looked at the more recent raw (not graphed) weekly data from the CDC NCHS for the dates ending 6/6, 6/13 and 6/20, and the numbers actually look quite good (still decreasing numbers of deaths for COVID-19, flu, pneumonia) [note that deaths from all causes have also declined well below what would be expected, but I did not look into the reasons for that decline]. It is too early to celebrate since deaths lag behind infections and hospitalizations, but I am now more optimistic that I have been. Also, individual locations may not reflect the national trends.
Why are you looking at only specific dates? That seems like an ineffective way to measure anything. Were those the only days you could see?
All the data I am seeing shows that many places are spiking (hospitalizations, which is what I am looking at rather than infections).
Clinical care has and continues to improve. We are about to find out how much of a difference that makes. Labor day (edit: Memorial day, duh) was likely the start of a real disaster (well, that would imply that the response hasn't already been one).
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:48 pmby Steve James
There is a direct correlation between states where bars, restaurants, and churches were opened, and places where they were not.
However, the story is the same. People can complain about whatever they like, and they can interpret statistics however they choose. Ask health professionals where there is a hotspot, and assume that where you are will be a hotspot eventually --if no precautions are taken.
I only go by the number of ambulance sirens I hear. Seriously. There was a time when I could count the number of times, day or night, that I wasn't hearing an ambulance. Nowadays, it seems I hardly hear them. Everybody's not dead. So, I figure that something worked.
Ok, if we see temporary morgues and freezer trucks popping up, it'll start to remind me of NYC 8 weeks ago.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:24 pmby Ian C. Kuzushi
The ICU at the biggest hospital in Texas is at 100% capacity.
https://www.newsweek.com/texass-largest ... 1593112507
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:07 pmby windwalker
According to a document obtained by The Houston Chronicle, about 28 percent of ICU beds are being used by COVID-19 patients, while 72 percent of them are currently occupied by non-COVID-19 patients.
Texas
Coronavirus Cases:
142,766
Deaths:
2,367
Recovered:
76,282
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/New York
Coronavirus Cases:
415,207
Deaths:
31,421
Recovered:
87,889
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:32 pmby Ian C. Kuzushi
windwalker wrote:According to a document obtained by The Houston Chronicle, about 28 percent of ICU beds are being used by COVID-19 patients, while 72 percent of them are currently occupied by non-COVID-19 patients.
Yeah? And?
Oh, and you left out the next line:
"If this trend continues, our hospital system capacity will become overwhelmed, leading us to make difficult choices of delaying much-needed non-COVID care to accommodate a greater number of COVID patients," according to the statement. "We are therefore calling upon the people of Houston to do their part in helping us to slow the spread of this dangerous virus."
Edit: Note, this is how people died en mass in Italy and NYC. The medical infrastructure was overwhelmed.
And, this is the largest medical complex in the world.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:09 pmby windwalker
Yeah? And?
we may have to allocate more space to covid pt over non-covid pt
who now take up the majority of beds in the ICU.
We are aware of the situation and will adjust
accordingly.
Edited: thought it was strange that someone would ask me about posting a link with no commentary, when they had just done the same.
My reply was what I got out of reading the article condensing what was written.
Guess some missed it.
It’s a virus, sooner or later everyone will have come in contact with it.
Let’s hope in the name of being “safe “ basic freedoms are not lost in the process.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:41 pmby Steve James
We? Are you in Texas? Why bother talking about protests in NYC when the problem is not there? Why not just give everyone there hydrochloroquin? Then have a rally. Let's see how it goes? Can't be worse, right? We should have listened to you all along.
Yep, there were 41 dead at the beginning of this thread. If it rises to 410 K, the same arguments will be given. I.e., lots of people die every day. The economy can't stop. It only affects susceptible people. Etc.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:48 pmby windwalker
Steve James wrote:We? Are you in Texas? Why bother talking about protests in NYC when the problem is not there? Why not just give everyone there hydrochloroquin? Then have a rally. Let's see how it goes? Can't be worse, right? We should have listened to you all along.
Yep, there were 41 dead at the beginning of this thread. If it rises to 410 K, the same arguments will be given. I.e., lots of people die every day. The economy can't stop. It only affects susceptible people. Etc.
Looks like you better stay inside
until it’s safe to come out.
On the other hand
In Chicago, 1,508 people have been shot this year. That is 350 more than 2019.
Do you know how many died there at the beginning of this thread.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:14 pmby Steve James
Do I know how many people got shot (not died) in Chicago since April? Why, no I don't. Do you know how many tea leaves are in the average tea bag?
This is the thread where people were supposed to talk about the situation "in [their] location." If I were in Chicago, I'd say.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:52 pmby grzegorz
Covid hit my center this week. So more people are masking up which is good but they should have been doing that already. Sad that people need to see it to believe it. I unfortunately meet a lot of "non-believers." Funny how they react when I tell that we have it at work. All of a sudden these "it's just a flu" non-mask wearing people get nervous just talking to me.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:19 pmby Ian C. Kuzushi
The big hospital downtown has gone from five ICUs full of Coivd patients to one and the state is vacillating between steady and slight increases. People are definitely much more lax ('Rona fatigue) about mitigation, though. So I imagine we will have a spike. I don't understand why the state or at least the city didn't make masks mandatory. It's costing lives and money.
Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:02 amby Giles
grzegorz wrote:Covid hit my center this week. So more people are masking up which is good but they should have been doing that already. Sad that people need to see it to believe it. I unfortunately meet a lot of "non-believers." Funny how they react when I tell that we have it at work. All of a sudden these "it's just a flu" non-mask wearing people get nervous just talking to me.
I'm sure that you're taking all reasonable precautions and have been for some time. But nonetheless, stay healthy Grzegorz !