windwalker wrote:Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Well, I'm not buying the argument that having a bar full of drunk armed people is a good idea. But, I would also push back against tao's post stating that the problem is gun owners (Steve already pointed out the fallacy there). The recent figures on PTSD and drinking by our troops is really disturbing and I wish we would tackle these problems on multiple fronts: more reasonable and evenly enforced gun laws,
If immigration laws are not enforced by some cities / states/ why would one expect gun laws pursuant to the state to
be evenly enforced among the states ...How does that work ?
proper support and safety nets for our troops, health care (including mental health) for all citizens and residents, and a halting of all wars that are not absolutely necessary (that's pretty much all of them).
One could argue that all wars are unnecessary but are the end result when things break down.
The problem with "mental" health care is that often those that need it, do not feel they do nor agree to it.
PTSD is a problem, In my time joined in 74, many back from nam, still serving had it. We didn't call it that back then nor was it recognized as such
just knew that some guys were messed up..lots of drug use back in the day.. .
Had a co worker just out from the Marines who had it working as an "armed" courier for
a company I used to drive for "armed" transporting money from bank to back....nice guy at times but one could see
he was a ticking time bomb. He would go off rant and rave,,,took awhile to clam him down. ....lots of shit inside.
Another co worker in a tech company, Army guy,,,interesting american chinese, used to mention the "shit" he saw ect
started to reflect in his tats, which seemed to increase, and how he dressed, ect.
A problem for each, hope they are around other vets that take the time to listen
and help them find a way back...
Las Vegas shooter ranted about gun control and right-wing conspiracies weeks before the massacre
New documents obtained by the Associated Press offer a glimpse into the mind of gunman Stephen Paddock, 64.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/kzk ... e-massacre
grzegorz wrote:Speaking of Vegas...Las Vegas shooter ranted about gun control and right-wing conspiracies weeks before the massacre
New documents obtained by the Associated Press offer a glimpse into the mind of gunman Stephen Paddock, 64.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/kzk ... e-massacre
Eyewitnesses say that at Manny’s Blue Room Bar in Robbins, Ill., security told a group of intoxicated men they had to leave. One of the men returned armed, at which point shots were exchanged between them and armed security guards.
One of the guards, Jemel Roberson, 26, managed to restrain one of the gunmen.
From WGN9:
“He had somebody on the ground with his knee in back with his gun in his back like, ‘don’t move,’” witness Adam Harris said.
Two police officers arrived, and upon seeing the scene, one of them immediately shot Roberson before taking the time to better assess the situation.
“Everybody was screaming out, ‘he was a security guard,’
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