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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:37 pm

edededed wrote:Don't we still have obscenity laws in the US? It's just that the definition of "obscenity" keeps including less and less...

Guns: I think everyone agrees that less violence is good. The main difference is the question of whether having more or less guns would result in less violence.

Instead of debating - it should perhaps be tested out in places that are willing to follow the chosen ideology.

For example:
Small City #1 becomes super-armed (everyone is armed and trained)
Small City #2 becomes unarmed (guns are given up for money)

Ideal for such a test would be cities that are very much followers of pro-gun or anti-gun.


More guns means more gun voilence. The idea that more guns means less crime is a myth.

More guns mean more crime – ThinkProgress

https://thinkprogress.org/more-guns-mea ... ae003e8bb5
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:42 pm

Now that Alex Jones has lost some of his platform he is admitting that Sandy Hook was real.

Alex Jones: Psychosis made me say Sandy Hook was a hoax
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/al ... li=BBoPRmx
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:49 pm

As a result of finding that Tarrant had made this donation to Sellner, who says he has no other connection to the shooter, the USA State Dept. has banned Sellner from entering the USA, where Sellner had often traveled before to visit his American fiancé, both of whom had been detained and banned from the UK last year because they once interviewed Tommy Robinson. They look like Bonny and Clyde to me.


What do looks tell us about anybody? That they're white?

If we can ban Muslims because they come from a country with religious voilence then why not ban people who actively support white nationalist voilence?

Martin Sellner: The new face of the far right in Europe - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45572411

In the summer of 2017, GI raised over £150,000 through crowdfunding to charter a boat in the Mediterranean to target non-governmental organisations that patrol the sea to rescue migrants in peril. GI said it would arrest illegal migrants and sink their boats - its campaign received the backing of a neo-Nazi website, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and a leading American white supremacist.



I don't want these neo-nazis in my country. Screw them and take away that lady's citizenship as they did with the IS bride. She's nothing but another right wing phony conspiracy theorist.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:54 pm

Also we should drop shooter and call these people what they are mass murderers.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Trick on Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:03 pm

grzegorz wrote:Also we should drop shooter and call these people what they are mass murderers.

yes its annoying. same whith calling IS terrorists for IS warriors as a lot of media does...not annoying but rather disturbing i say
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:05 pm

I agree, I would prefer IS fighters.

Terrorists should be reserved for people and groups who actively attack civilians like the New Zealand mass murder whose name I won't repeat and manifesto I would never read because that is what he wants as all terrorists do. They want world wide recognition. I have no idea why anyone would read the writings of a mass murderer.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Trick on Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:32 pm

grzegorz wrote:I agree, I would prefer IS fighters.
yes there is the other word media also often call them - fighters. equally disturbing. terrorists they are at best...
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:34 pm

Austrian nazis.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2GbD4mr ... e=youtu.be

Unlike Ukrainian nazis these nazis are real.

Learn who these f@#s really are.

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I am not surprised the NZ mass murderer donated money to GI. These people are all about voilence. The above video has interviews of many of them promoting voilence.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby I-mon on Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:32 am

Michael wrote:New Zealand first banned sharing the mosque shooting video, and has since also banned the shooter's manifesto. Banning his document is an interesting move. Apparently the rationale is that certain ideologies like the shooter's are so virulent you should restrict them for the public's protection. We used to have obscenity laws in the USA, but we had to give them up so that eventually the porn industry could thrive. I'm curious to see if NZ will start banning or restricting porn this year as its much more virulent and harmful, and less interesting, than pretty much any ideology.


Mike I'm pretty sure the banning of both the video and the manifesto are for the same reason as not saying the guy's name. Many TV channels, newspapers and politicians in NZ and in Australia have opted to not publish or broadcast these things, including his name, for the explicit purpose of not contributing to this person's desire for notoriety.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:15 am

Meh, last time there was a rise of right wing nationalism like this in Europe, there was a World War and millions of Europeans were killed. And, yep, it was almost exactly the same. They were everywhere. New York Nazis at Madison Square Garden, 1938.
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In fact, even Antifa was there and tried to protest.
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Those thousands of people didn't become anti-Nazi after the war. They just had to pretend because the msm was anti-Hitler. It's exactly the same in Germany, except that it's against the law there to be pro-Nazi. So, the "right" just invents a new name. The only things that change are the enemies identified. Here's it's going to be socialists, Muslims, immigrants, especially immigrant criminals.

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Looks like an impressive rally, no?
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:27 am

Notice how he blames everyone but himself?


Alex Jones: Psychosis made me say Sandy Hook was a hoax

Ceren Senkul, news reporter

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© ReutersAlex Jones is being sued by the families of victims of the Sandy Hook massacre

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has blamed "psychosis" for various controversial claims he has made, including that the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax.

Jones is host of Infowars, which produces conspiracy podcasts and videos, and he is currently being sued by the families of victims of the 2012 school shooting.

He alleged the massacre was part of a hoax constructed to legitimise gun control laws.

The Infowars host blamed psychosis in an out-of-court testimony as part of the lawsuit against him brought by the family of a six-year-old who was killed in the school shooting.

Twenty children and six adults were shot dead in Newtown, Connecticut when Adam Lanza, 20, stole his mother's guns after shooting and killing her at their home on 14 December 2012.

However, Jones is still suspicious about the authenticity of the Sandy Hook massacre, and is annoyed that his name has become synonymous with the event.

"Sandy Hook is not my identity," he says, "I covered it less than one tenth of 1% until Hillary [Clinton] gave her alt-right speech."

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Asked if he believes the official story of Sandy Hook, Jones says: "I still think... I think children died. I believe mass shootings happened - they just had one in Brazil, a tragedy - and I believe it's a crisis.

"And I go back to the point of all gun owners being collectively blamed, then it's traumatic and so people go and they find anomalies and I've kind of retrospectively gone back and seen how I did believe that stuff and then I go back and I have now studied the real anomalies and it's just the school system and government trying to cover its rear end from liability and so there has definitely been a cover-up of the event.

"I think there's a lot of evidence there could have been a second shooter, there is the helicopter footage of the man in the woods."

He added: "I still have questions about Sandy Hook - but I know people that know some of the Sandy Hook families that say, 'No it's real.'"

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Later in his testimony he blames growing up in Texas "watching police deal drugs and then conduct anti-drugs programmes at the school" on making him suspicious and contributing to his "wrong" opinions.

Jones claims he "almost had like a form of psychosis back in the past where I basically thought everything was staged, even though I'm now learning a lot of times things aren't staged".

Jones blamed his mental state on "the trauma of the media and the corporations lying so much, then everything begins - you don't trust anything anymore".

He added: "Kind of like a child whose parents lie to them over and over again, well, pretty soon they don't know what reality is."

Jones is facing several lawsuits from families of Sandy Hook victims, including some who claim they have been defamed because Jones implied they were actors paid by the government.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:41 am

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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:00 am

Steve James wrote:Meh, last time there was a rise of right wing nationalism like this in Europe, there was a World War and millions of Europeans were killed. And, yep, it was almost exactly the same. They were everywhere. New York Nazis at Madison Square Garden


If you watch the GI from Al Jazeera you will see that these people are already active in politics in voilence. Do I think it will be 1939 again? No, but like the KKK and the Jim Crow South I think the idea is to create a two tier society where migrants or people who have nonwhite blood never feel that Europe is their home.

Watch Generation Hate Part 1 l Al Jazeera Investigations" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Il2GbD4mrrk

In the video they discuss removing the French citizenship of "French Arabs" and sure enough in the US the current administration is targeting immigrants who have become citizens. So I don't get "meh" this stuff is happening and voilence on people in Norway, NZ, people in churches, synagogues and Sikh temples are being murdered by right wing extremists and the tide doesn't seem to be turning the other way on top of that it is an issue the news media is uncomfortable discussing. We can discuss Islamic terrorism but white nationalist terrorism is a taboo subject.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:09 am

"Kind of like a child whose parents lie to them over and over again, well, pretty soon they don't know what reality is."


So, the media (parents) lie about so many other things (i.e., everything he asserts they lie about), the children (i.e., audience) don't know what reality is. The alternative is that if they weren't lying about this, they weren't lying about other things.

Hey, he was more honest when he said it was just an act. Using "psychosis" as a defense sounds strange, but so was the "Twinkie defense" that worked. The question is whether his Infowars followers will think that his defenses are actually the "act." And, that he still wants them to believe that he believes.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:25 am

I agree that he is trying to be blameless. He was the one who called Sandy Hook a hoax and became an instant household name for that yet years and lawsuits later he is blaming everyone and everything but himself.

After his Joe Rogan publicity stunt which his followers bought right into by publicly attacking and insulting Rogan (on here too) when he finally appeared on Rogan again (which was the plan) Alex tried to say Sandy Hook doesn't define me and I am sure that for his dedicated followers this is true.

For people like me, I will never forget and Alex Jones is also why I stopped listening to Rogan years ago because I had known about Jones for years and found him mildly entertaining but when I saw that other people jump on the Rogan train get turned onto to Jones it was obvious they accepted Jonee because of Rogan.
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