Shooting of the Week

[Steve James]

Afa globalization. Some people look at it this way.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http ... ed.jpg&f=1

"Nationalists" are always interested in more than their own nations, and want their ideology to spread globally.

They also tend to see "nationalization" of the government, the economy, or its resources. Nationalization of fuel or anything --even if for the benefit of the people-- is considered "socialism." And, socialism is bad because " look at the USSR." That's why the US has been against Venezuela; it nationalized its petroleum industry. Gas there was 15 cents a gallon in the 90s. There were elections. It's just that Chavez was definitely a "leftist". Moreover, he supported resistance movements --though, unlike the US, he did not support drug traffic.

Anyway, there'll be a lot of anti-socialism talk coming up. For some reason, we'll be able to negotiate with Kim, but not ... with the people who don't have nuclear weapons.

[Michael]

Mike, you seem to have conflated Greg's and my posts.

Maybe I have too many nested quotes or something.

[Michael]

In Russians I argued that the rise of the far right in Ukraine rose out of high unemployment and poverty in Ukraine and some laughed it off. I don't care though, what I am saying is that yes globalization has lend people to fill disenfranchised and left out but the fact is both IS and the far right are using the internet to inspire death and destruction through propaganda of the deed.

In case I never said this before, I am sorry for being an aggressive asshole on the Russian and Ukranian threads five years ago.

Globalism is why Americans are teaching English in China and...

...and girls there don't have blue hair.

[Michael]

They also tend to see "nationalization" of the government, the economy, or its resources. Nationalization of fuel or anything --even if for the benefit of the people-- is considered "socialism." And, socialism is bad because " look at the USSR." That's why the US has been against Venezuela; it nationalized its petroleum industry. Gas there was 15 cents a gallon in the 90s. There were elections. It's just that Chavez was definitely a "leftist". Moreover, he supported resistance movements --though, unlike the US, he did not support drug traffic.

Iran, 1953. When the CIA and the British overthrew Mossedegh for nationalizing his country's oil, it was kinda like, "Nationalism for me and not for thee."

Anyway, there'll be a lot of anti-socialism talk coming up. For some reason, we'll be able to negotiate with Kim, but not ... with the people who don't have nuclear weapons.

They condemn Tulsi Gabbard like she's Jane Fonda in Hanoi, because she's the only anti-war Democratic candidate and she spoke to Assad, which is part of her job. Diplomacy and talking to foreign leaders is not allowed, even if the have nukes in some cases these days.

As to which of Jesus's writings I'd recommend, I'd say read the Book of Luke. It has the most of Jesus's life and acts.

Thanks. My brother said the same. Sounds like a good place to start.

[grzegorz]

Thanks Mike!

I realized that in that thread people started labelling others (myself included) into a camp where communication was impossible.

It was unfortunate since I don't believe anyone wanted to see war but we had different ideas as to who was responsible for the fighting. Tragic for all those people who had to live through or did not live through the violence.

[Michael]

Yep, that's what happens. I still get that "My team win" reflex.

[grzegorz]

Me too and I also apologize.

[Michael]

Thanks.

[grzegorz]

Father of Sandy Hook victim dead in apparent suicide

https://news.yahoo.com/father-of-sandy- ... 13508.html

[Michael]

New Zealand first banned sharing the mosque shooting video, and has since also banned the shooter's manifesto. Banning his document is an interesting move. Apparently the rationale is that certain ideologies like the shooter's are so virulent you should restrict them for the public's protection. We used to have obscenity laws in the USA, but we had to give them up so that eventually the porn industry could thrive. I'm curious to see if NZ will start banning or restricting porn this year as its much more virulent and harmful, and less interesting, than pretty much any ideology.

NZ's biggest online book seller banned Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules for Life" for a few days after the shooting, possibly because a friend of Youtube's CEO said her 13 year old son had gone from watching Peterson videos to Ben Sharpiro to Neo-nazi. Listening to those two ladies, it's not clear what their idea of neo-nazi might be since she didn't give examples, but merely complained her son was annoying her with it and could Youtube CEO do something like ban Ben Shapiro. Just kidding, not kidding. Maybe. One of the unintended consequences of the NZ book seller's Peterson ban was that during the time when people searched for it, instead of Peterson's book the result they were shown was a book critical of him called "Jordanetics", whose author is alt-right. Sort of ironic.

[edededed]

Don't we still have obscenity laws in the US? It's just that the definition of "obscenity" keeps including less and less...

Guns: I think everyone agrees that less violence is good. The main difference is the question of whether having more or less guns would result in less violence.

Instead of debating - it should perhaps be tested out in places that are willing to follow the chosen ideology.

For example:
Small City #1 becomes super-armed (everyone is armed and trained)
Small City #2 becomes unarmed (guns are given up for money)

Ideal for such a test would be cities that are very much followers of pro-gun or anti-gun.

[Michael]

US obscenity laws are minimal compared to what they were 60 years ago and I think the only consistent enforcement today is against child porn, although different federal administrations have varying levels of enforcement, such as the Bush, Jr. being more aggressive than the Clinton. One of the difficulties with these kinds of laws are subjectivity in what is considered obscene and objective standards for the harm it causes. It seems today there is a wide array of research demonstrating the harm that porn can cause, so perhaps new obscenity standards could be considered for enforcement.

[Trick]

NZ muslims now claim israel/mossad being behind the shooting ?? ....and on the craziness goes. - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sacre.html

[Michael]

More craziness in the sense of the shooter's connections and strange references, such as his comment on the live stream when he got out of his car to, "Subscribe to Pewdiepie," a Swede who is the biggest youtuber in the world.

Tarrant also wrote in his manifesto that he had been influenced/radicalized by American conservative political commentator Candace Owens, which was obviously sarcastic as she's hardly even controversial, but the reference in the manifesto had to have been intended to harm her reputation.

Yesterday it was revealed by the Austrian authorities, who had been investigating Martin Sellner, the leader of an Austrian Identitarian movement, that the NZ shooter Brenton Tarrant had made a donation of 1,500 euros to Sellner's organization, which receives donations and crowd-funding, and is considered far right-wing by the Austrian govt.

As a result of finding that Tarrant had made this donation to Sellner, who says he has no other connection to the shooter, the USA State Dept. has banned Sellner from entering the USA, where Sellner had often traveled before to visit his American fiancé, both of whom had been detained and banned from the UK last year because they once interviewed Tommy Robinson. They look like Bonny and Clyde to me.



NZ has banned some weapons and provided an online form for surrendering them, so jokesters have responded with some funny fantasy guns they are considering turning in.

[grzegorz]

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/parents-o ... 0-minutes/

Good 60 Minutes today on a couple who lost their daughter in the Aurora shooting and helps the families of victims of other shootings. I did not realize that all the families of victims are threatened and their tragedy denied. They list so many shootings done by mass murderers and the trend continues.