Shooting of the Week

[Steve James]

the Copts in Egypt just had a terrorist incident when around 15 people or so were killed just because

The Egyptian Copts created the first monasteries in Christendom. Afa co-existence, they've been where they are since the very beginning of the religion. They also come in various shades, but that's another story. Their language is directly descended from the ancient Egyptian demotic tongue. It's how the hieroglyphics were translated --using the Rosetta stone.

[Michael]

In the news I watch, it's mostly the bad examples that receive attention. I would like to see more examples of when, where, and how Muslims are doing just fine in Western countries. To that end, I've been following Imam Tawhidi for a while, seen his interviews, and he has a lot of pragmatic things to say about how this can be done now. I haven't heard him talk much about the old history we just referenced regarding the Copts and the origins of Abrahamic faiths, but I think that's just because most people don't ask him as they're more focused on current events.

Tawhidi was a devout Muslim and agreed with the most fundamental interpretations of the Koran and Sharia until ISIS burned his uncle alive in Mosul in 2014, then he reconsidered those extreme interpretations. What I usually hear him talking about is how to prevent extremist Islam from proliferating to the West, and how to prevent jihadis from migrating to Australia or the West, by enlisting the cooperation of of Muslims who are now in the destination countries, as well as informing the authorities of those destination countries, eg., Australia, EU, USA, etc., how to detect the problems.

Here's one of his many interviews. This one is over an hour, there are plenty of other shorter ones out there.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjEQA_CwWk

Tawhidi's web site has all his social media contacts.

[Steve James]

Where Muslims are living in peace? There's Dearborn, Michigan. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dearborn- ... eamericans Though, I have to admit there are two masjids within walking distance of my building. Anyway, I'm about as worried about living near Muslims as some people are worried about living near me. I figure that I can do it, but I won't spend time trying to prove it. People who believe that usually don't change.

Btw, there were Muslims in George Washington's army,. https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/is ... a-history/

Now, the question of whether people will allow others to live among them is another thing.

For ex., why did civilized Germany want to remove Jews? What were the reasons given? Meh, I've heard people on both sides of the pond who say that Hitler was right; the Jews caused it by being greedy, and were trying to take over. There are those who are saying the same thing. https://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.co ... f-america/

Let's say it's true, though. What should we do to Jews? Of course, one guy decided to murder people in a synagogue. I bet the same guy would have done it to a mosque or a church, for the same reason.

[Michael]

Now, the question of whether people will allow others to live among them is another thing.

That's the topic that is usually given negative attention in the press, but often in reverse. For example, when Muslims become the dominant majority in a neighborhood, do Muslims allow others to live among them? The examples of this I know from the news are mostly wedge issues or extreme outliers.

[Steve James]

For example, when Muslims become the dominant majority in a neighborhood, do Muslims allow others to live among them?

But, we were just talking about the Middle East and the Christian minorities who live there. Granted, there are radical Islamists in some places who want Islamic rule --but, they're doing that in places where there is already a Muslim majority. If we're talking about the US, then the fear simply can not be because of anything or any area in the US. I just posted about Dearborn, MI, which has the largest percentage of Muslims per capita in a US city, but they only make up 15%.

Otoh, there are plenty of examples of people being burned out of their homes and told to move by Christians. At least, they were burning crosses, so that's how they identified. There are more than a few examples of Muslims being denied the ability to buy property or being told they weren't welcome. Sure, it's because of the argument that "they'll take over."

[Michael]

If we're talking about the US, then the fear simply can not be because of anything or any area in the US. I just posted about Dearborn, MI, which has the largest percentage of Muslims per capita in a US city, but they only make up 15%.

Yes, that sounds right for the USA.

Back to the NZ shooting, in this video Friday from Imam Tawhidi shortly after the shooting, he says the far right are celebrating the mosque shootings instead of condemning them. And he says his group has social media accounts with the far left to monitor them and they are also extremists.

He also makes the point that there is no need to make a problem in Australia when something happens in Syria. And he spends a minute on the false concept of Muslims in Australia or NZ being invaders. I don't have much to add as I agree with him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4srrwrbWsY

http://www.facebook.com/theimamofpeace/ ... 083505951/

[Steve James]

Well, yeah, the "far" in any direction is extreme. There's the "far" center too. Islamic extremists are not on the left. Neither are Christian extremists.

I'm sure there must be some, but I think talking about them after mosque, synagogue, and church massacres is just a diversion. If some leftist blows up a federal building, or bombs a church with children inside, or murders civil rights workers, or assassinates doctors at abortion clinics, I'll think of them the same way I do of people who've shot up buses, trains, and schools.

I have noted that any event associated with "white right wing groups" nowadays is attributed to a a "false flag" operations, as Rush said, to make "you" question yourselves and what "you" believe and make "you" look bad. Of course, these shooters all claim to be fighting for the same "you," and your enemies are the ones they shoot. I'd say that's why they're defended by dissociation.

[grzegorz]

Blaming the murder of 50 in NZ on globalism is ludicrous!

[Michael]

I'm optimistic, so I was hoping for a political angle/solution.

I agree that there needs to be more discussion on a solution to these problems. I also feel that part of the problem is that there is such a vocal movement denying the existence and/or the nature of the problem that it is difficult to proceed until there is some consensus on this.

Here is a short (5min) interview that raises some important points, IMO:

"Prof. Kathleen Belew on understanding the Christchurch terror attack as part of a larger, transnational white power movement and the danger of viewing it as an isolated “lone wolf” incident."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/17/70420967 ... AMM-kNkFE4

I read the transcript. Probably too brief to say much except the part about a transnational ideology spreading. The obvious question is what is the vector? I don't think it's something intangible like hate, but more likely globalization.

Blaming the murder of 50 in NZ on globalism is ludicrous!

Are you referring to my response to Ian? If so, did you read that transcript? It is very short. I said that globalization is more likely a vector in spreading the white power movement than what the prof. on NPR said because that prof mentioned a symptom of an ideology and failed to suggest the vector of its transmission. By default, my suggestion is more likely than hers because she said nothing. Maybe the interview was too short or that was just an excerpt.

Why did I suggest globalization? Did you read the NZ murderer's manifesto? It is too long, 74 pages with about 30% repetitiveness. On p. 67 he blames globalization for being a factor in the degradation of European/white society. I'll paste it below, but if anyone objects to posting part of it here, I understand and please tell me and I'll remove it, or you can report it directly to the mods with the button and they will remove it.

Globalized capitalist markets are the enemy of racial autonomists

If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs.

An environmentally conscious and moral society will never be able to economically compete with a society based on ever increasing industrialization, urbanization, industrial output and population increase.

The cheaper labour and ignorance of environmental health will always result in cheaper goods produced with less effort and inevitably result in control of the market.

A Europe of nature, culture and sustainable living practicing will not be able to ever compete in the global market.

The global market thus therefore never be allowed to compete in the new European market.

Barring the importation of all goods produced outside the New European zone(the new Western world) is an essential pillar of the future Western economy.

Goods produced without care for the natural world ,dignity of workers, lasting culture or or white civilizations future should never be allowed into the new morally focused and ethically focused European market.

CHEAP LABOUR AND ALL CONSUMING INDUSTRY ARE NOT IDEALS, BLOCK FOREIGN GOODS FROM WHITE MARKETS

The next obvious question is: if globalization is a vector for hate / white nationalism / racism, then why is it so? Is it just the obvious phenomenon of different people making their homes in foreign cultures? I don't think so. Imam Tawhidi examines part of this problem when it comes to radical Islam and has created a system of preventing it there. His FAQ of how Islam can work in Western, secular countries is here: A Dcotrine of Peace

[Michael]

Well, yeah, the "far" in any direction is extreme. There's the "far" center too. Islamic extremists are not on the left. Neither are Christian extremists.

From his video last Friday, he didn't go into a lot of detail on that, but apparently the Muslims he was referring to in Australia, the ones who cheer about ISIS activities and victories in Syria and the Middle East, are on the Australian political left because they are opposed to Christians on the political right.

[Steve James]

He writes:

If an ethnocentric European future is to be achieved global free markets and the trade of goods is to be discouraged at all costs.

He is obviously against globalization --but he means "free trade" around the world. Afaik, he can't mean trade between the US and Europe, can he? Well, one has to wonder what his ethnocentric Europe would look like. But, I'm not sure what he means when it comes to gas and oil. Anyway, he just seems to want what the Nazi's wanted for Germany. I can't imagine that,like them, he wants the same thing for the world.

the Muslims he was referring to in Australia, the ones who cheer about ISIS activities and victories in Syria and the Middle East, are on the Australian political left because they are opposed to Christians on the political right.

There are Muslims everywhere who cheer about IS. Religious fanatics are on the right/conservative side of politics. Ya can't say that they're the conservative liberals. Secondly, and obviously, most of the people on the political left are also Christians. That is, unless you buy into the "party of God" idea. Thirdly, Jesus would be considered on the left, even a socialist. Read his stuff.

[Michael]

There are Muslims everywhere who cheer about IS. Religious fanatics are on the right/conservative side of politics. Ya can't say that they're the conservative liberals. Secondly, and obviously, most of the people on the political left are also Christians.

Yes, I know. Thanks for the refresher Tawhidi was exasperated at people from across the spectrum for condoning terrorism, extremism and violence, especially some tens of people on social media who follow him that are vocal. He wanted them to "leave his pages". Maybe people like that think you can be a conservative liberal.

Thirdly, Jesus would be considered on the left, even a socialist. Read his stuff.

Surprise question, but do you happen to have a specific recommendation that can be read in an hour?

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Mike, you seem to have conflated Greg's and my posts.

[grzegorz]

Globalism is why Americans are teaching English in China and not the reason for this man who idolized mass shooters killed 50.

In Russians I argued that the rise of the far right in Ukraine rose out of high unemployment and poverty in Ukraine and some laughed it off. I don't care though, what I am saying is that yes globalization has lend people to fill disenfranchised and left out but the fact is both IS and the far right are using the internet to inspire death and destruction through propaganda of the deed.

[Steve James]

Hmm, my problem is with the Americans (for whom I think the title of Christian is meaningless) who are celebrating the NK massacre.

As to which of Jesus's writings I'd recommend, I'd say read the Book of Luke. It has the most of Jesus's life and acts.