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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:48 am

Peacedog wrote:The US is rapidly becoming a multi-ethic society. These are also always much more violent than homogenous societies.


Seriously? And your proof is where? Or we supposed to automatically believe that multi-culturalism is a cesspool? How about westerners learning kungfu? Is that included in this violent society? Does the slow form make people violent? Sorry but that just sounds the words of a biggot to me.

The fact is most shootings in the U.S. happen between people who know each other but are involved in some sort of dispute often times this can and does include people in the same family.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:52 am

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Interesting how the countries with more "well regulated" gun laws have lower rates of gun voilence than those without.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:54 am

Oh, the fact is that the US is rapidly becoming inhabited by people who can speak a different language. But, even if I don't agree with their politics, I'd say that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are as American as anyone on this board. Ok, maybe Cruz does have foreign blood; but, I think he can get along in polite society.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:25 am

Steve James wrote:Oh, the fact is that the US is rapidly becoming inhabited by people who can speak a different language. But, even if I don't agree with their politics, I'd say that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are as American as anyone on this board. Ok, maybe Cruz does have foreign blood; but, I think he can get along in polite society.


Both the NRA and the KKK got their start in the South after the civil war, they seem to see an all white society as the only society.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby klonk on Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:54 am

grzegorz wrote:
Both the NRA and the KKK got their start in the South after the civil war, they seem to see an all white society as the only society.


Perhaps you are connected to bad sources of information and endorse things that sound like they should be true, per your narrative. It is a common enough failing. However,

NRA wrote:Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.


When we recruit in the South, we kind of gloss over that the whole show started up as a Yankee outfit, started because of a former poor showing in hitting Rebs.

General Burnside wrote: "Out of ten soldiers who are perfect in drill and the manual of arms, only one knows the purpose of the sights on his gun or can hit the broad side of a barn."


Here is lily white ;) NRA commentator Colion Noir on mass shooter crazies and the news media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec




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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ly_history
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:39 pm

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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:39 pm

I'm well aware of the founders of the NRA, as it's the first thing that comes up on Google (which you posted here) but just as Lincoln was once a Republican the NRA today is nothing like it was after the civil war. Heck the NRA once backed Reagan on gun control in California that's definitely not the case in 2015.

Just as Peace Dog has admitted too I find most NRA members I meet have a big issue with multi-capitalism, perhaps that has more to do with the Turner Diaries than the NRA but they seem to have a belief that by owning a gun nothing can happen to them yet most shootings happen between people who do know each other and are involved in a dispute so multi-culturalism has little to do with anything.

By the way, despite the conspiracy theories no one cares about your guns. But the easy access that people with mental health issues getting guns is a concern.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby windwalker on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:44 pm

grzegorz wrote:
Peacedog wrote:The US is rapidly becoming a multi-ethic society. These are also always much more violent than homogenous societies.


Seriously? And your proof is where? Or we supposed to automatically believe that multi-culturalism is a cesspool? How about westerners learning kungfu? Is that included in this violent society? Does the slow form make people violent? Sorry but that just sounds the words of a biggot to me. .



Is this the new way of discussions here, to accuse or lable a person who has different view points"?
not ask for any clarification of something posted.

Poof, I think the Professor might have some things to say on this.

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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:48 pm

Well considering that Peace Dog wants all the Latinos, American or otherwise deported at gun point without a trial I call a spade a spade.

Call it the Trump influence who actually stole it from Mortan Downey Jr.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:49 pm

Well, it's certainly true that we become familiar with the names of mass shooters. But, though they get too much attention, it's precisely because of the nature of their acts/crimes. True, many can name a mass murderer. Otoh, 1) most of us can name more than one serial killer; but their names don't come up when gun control is discussed. 2) We can't name the civilians who've prevented mass shootings; but, then again, we don't remember the names of the victims either. Name one child killed at Sandy Hook Elementary or at Columbine. It's not a greater tragedy that we don't know the names of anyone.

Afa preventing mass shootings, it's nice to argue that all it takes is someone armed there to take that person down. Well, okay, but that throws out the argument of deterrence. It assumes that a (mentally ill) person may stand up and begin shooting anywhere in society, and that there should be no gun free zones. Moreover, this doesn't stop mass shootings, only limits the damage, and it only deters sane people --who wouldn't stand up and start killing a crowd anyway. Clearly, metal detectors and strip searches would prevent mass shootings in schools, theaters, churches, government buildings, apartment houses, stores, malls, etc.

Anyway, I think it was a good idea to have metal detectors and searches in clubs and bars. I think it's sick to argue that there should be armed people everywhere. It's sad because as everyone is quick to point out, these incidents are rare. So, we end up with people arguing that guns should be everywhere because of rare events, but that the problem is not rare events but ordinary crime in bad neighborhoods.

Hey, I get it that some people just feel more comfortable when they're armed. Some people really should feel that way. Otoh, that has nothing to do with how to prevent mentally ill people from going berserk.

Btw, afa the KKK, race and gun control, there have been plenty of Black Americans who believed in the right to bear arms precisely because they were the victims of KKK terrorism. Robert F. Williams was one of the most well known people who disagreed with "non-violence." There's a book about him "Negroes with Guns." They weren't well liked, of course. Neither were the Deacons, or Malcolm X, or the original Black Panthers (for whom Gov. Ron Reagan instituted gun control legislation --though they never shot anyone). They all believed in the right of self-defense. I suppose the Indians believe it too. Shucks, everyone believes it for himself.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby klonk on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MurRvcydlqQ

No one is after your guns? Really?

You might not like what C.N. says, or maybe you do, but he is an entertaining presenter!

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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby klonk on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:11 pm

grzegorz wrote:Well considering that Peace Dog wants all the Latinos, American or otherwise deported at gun point without a trial I call a spade a spade.

Call it the Trump influence who actually stole it from Mortan Downey Jr.


Well I can't speak for Peacedog, but I for one would favor some exceptions. There is this little family-owned restaurant in Denver that makes the best Mexican food in the world. One bite and you are in Sonora. Maybe we could cut them some slack. :D Of course I am poking fun. At this point, Greg, I get the feeling that you are passionately fighting monsters who exist only in your mind, bigots and racists whom you know are that way because, you know, they don't agree with you.

Postmodern liberals cannot comprehend the idea that one could simultaneously reject a belief and accept the person who holds it.

Read more: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/08/15398/
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:12 pm

Obviously you haven't read the immigation thread.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:20 pm

Hey, the reality is that there were people here when Columbus came (via Spain). They had many cultures. Period. Ideologues and people with particular agendas aren't using multiculturalism as a description of reality. They're using it the way liberals have tried to argue for inclusion of different people in the teaching and discussion of history. It's not about culture at all. It's not about how American culture came about, what it consists of, or what it is now. We're as multi-cultural as our music and food.

Like I said, anyone who doesn't think we're multicultural should just google a list of neighborhood restaurants. I'll bet that you live near either an Italian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai, or a French restaurant. Yet, come one November night, most Americans will be eating turkey, sweet potatoes, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, corn, pumpkin pie, and other good 'ol American things ;).

Then again, maybe some people just can't be multicultural. In Switzerland, everything is written in four languages; and there are specific ethnic identities. Yet, it's one of the oldest countries in Europe. In Europe, it's common for people to speak several languages, and English. Personally, I agree with them and think that being familiar with more than one language is a cultural advantage.

Ahem, I think it's great when people, even Westerners, study other cultures and their arts and languages. ;)
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby windwalker on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:29 pm

grzegorz wrote:Obviously you haven't read the immigation thread.


from that thread. Peacdog can defend himself but just looking at what was posted:

I spent about 20 years of my life in countries that were in distress attempting to fix their various problems. One thing consistently stood out, 90% of the serious problems were self inflicted.

Whether it was the Arabs with their ridiculous violent fundamentalism, the Rwandans spontaneously murdering the better part of a million people in their own country, the endless Central American corruption, starvation caused by idiotic socialist governments, etc. It was all the result of local people screwing each other over.

Immigration only works when the numbers are small enough to force assimilation over time. Without that, the people fleeing their craphole countries engage in the same behavior and policies that resulted in their fleeing their original homeland in the first place.

The Western world has ZERO moral responsibility to save people from themselves. It is smart business to reduce the possibility of spill over on the other end however.

The obscene and destructive behavior witnessed in the third world is typical of human existence over the last 10,000 years of recorded history. The Western democracies are huge anomalies in terms of their elected governments, personal freedom, safety, cleanliness of the environment, wealth, etc. These places and their cultures that allow all of this to happen are incredibly fragile. Open borders only serve to destroy this.


I would ask anyone to find excalty what is wrong with what was posted based on real world experience.

I spent about 20 years of my life in countries that were in distress attempting to fix their various problems. One thing consistently stood out, 90% of the serious problems were self inflicted.


one might ask just what was it that he spent 20yrs doing

Immigration only works when the numbers are small enough to force assimilation over time. Without that, the people fleeing their craphole countries engage in the same behavior and policies that resulted in their fleeing their original homeland in the first place.


Is this not the case, Professor Sowell outlines this.

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